Rules on when BA code shares are permitted on xONExs
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Rules on when BA code shares are permitted on xONExs
I regularly have problems with BA when getting tickets issued with code shares. They've recently been good at issuing RTW tickets starting in South Africa, but, as most of you know, the oneworld tool doesn't offer any code shares, so it's necessary to reserve the AA/CX flights and then subsequently, before the ticket is issued, ask BA to change it to include the code shares.
I've had mixed success with this. BA generally give me my choice of code share on the first flight after entering the US, but thereafter they are very inconsistent. I was once told that only the first segment is allowed to be a code share as long as the incoming US flight is with BA, but I can find no rule to this effect.
It's particularly galling after the recent changes to both the BA & AA FF programs to find certain routes with BA code shares are denied when I know they exist.
AA & JL code shares don't appear to be a problem; it's just BA code shares in the US on AA metal.
Does anyone have any info on what the rules actually say, please?
I've had mixed success with this. BA generally give me my choice of code share on the first flight after entering the US, but thereafter they are very inconsistent. I was once told that only the first segment is allowed to be a code share as long as the incoming US flight is with BA, but I can find no rule to this effect.
It's particularly galling after the recent changes to both the BA & AA FF programs to find certain routes with BA code shares are denied when I know they exist.
AA & JL code shares don't appear to be a problem; it's just BA code shares in the US on AA metal.
Does anyone have any info on what the rules actually say, please?
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It is not at all unusual for codeshare availability to be subject to married segment rules - i.e. only available when connecting to or from that airline.
To switch a flight from operating airline to codeshare you need the codeshare to exist, availability on the codeshare, and meet any rules (such as married segment) that applies to the codeshare.
To switch a flight from operating airline to codeshare you need the codeshare to exist, availability on the codeshare, and meet any rules (such as married segment) that applies to the codeshare.
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According to ExpertFlyer the code shares exist and there's availability. Any idea where these "married segment" rules can be found? Sometimes BA allow them, sometimes not.
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Rules on when BA code shares are permitted on xONExs
Amadeus for example would show this information in the flight details of the codeshare: http://www.flyerguide.com/Traffic_Restriction_Codes_(AA)
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Here's an example BA codeshare flight - IME, all BA operated by AA domestic flights are coded this way:
When an Amadeus agent books a codeshare flight with traffic restrictions, they'll get the prompt to SEE RTSVC. Checking RTSVC displays that these flights are valid for INTL ONLINE CONNECTING OR STOPOVR TRAFFIC ONLY, meaning they may be booked with or without connections - as long as there is an international BA coded flight into or out of the country (doesn't have to be both). With non-RTW fares, the codeshares work up until the fare break point, as BA don't have fares filed for US domestic legs. Since the RTW is a through fare, there is no break point, so there isn't anything I can think of that would prevent you using BA flight numbers up until the point that one doesn't exist, meaning until you need to book AA because there is no BA code (or availability on the BA code), all flights up until then can be BA. Once you have to switch to AA, you break the online connection/stopover traffic thread, and all subsequent flights would need to be on the AA code or codeshare of the airline you use to leave N America, if those codeshares exist/are more favourable.
Whew.
Code:
RP/JAXBA080F/ 1 BA1951 Y 15NOV 2 JAXMIA HK1 0500 0619 15NOV E 0 ER4 OPERATED BY SUBSIDIARY/FRANCHISE SEE RTSVC - TRAFFIC RESTRICTION EXISTS >RTSVC RP/JAXBA080F/ * AMADEUS FLIGHT INFO * BA1951 Y JAXMIA ER4 0 COMMERCIAL DUPLICATE - OPERATED BY ENVOY AIR AS AMERICAN EAGLE FOR AMERICAN AIRLINES AIRCRAFT OWNER ENVOY AIR Q/ INTL ONLINE CONNECTING OR STOPOVR TRAFFIC ONLY OPERATIONAL LEG AA 3358 9/ NON-SMOKING
Whew.
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So as long as the chain of online code-shares is unbroken, conceivably (though very difficult in practice), could one daisy-chain together a RTW that used exclusively AA flights and AA codeshares for (nearly) the entire route. For example:
CPT-LHR (AA operated by BA)
LHR-HEL (AA operated by AY)
HEL-CDG (AA operated by AY)
CDG-KUL (AA operated by MH)
KUL-BKK (AA operated by MH)
BKK-HKG (AA operated by CX)
HKG-CGK (AA operated by CX)
CGK-NRT (AA operated by JL)
NRT-ORD (AA operated by JL)
ORD-DOH (AA operated by QR)
DOH-NBO (QR operated by QR - though I'd thought this codeshare also once existed)
CPT-LHR (AA operated by BA)
LHR-HEL (AA operated by AY)
HEL-CDG (AA operated by AY)
CDG-KUL (AA operated by MH)
KUL-BKK (AA operated by MH)
BKK-HKG (AA operated by CX)
HKG-CGK (AA operated by CX)
CGK-NRT (AA operated by JL)
NRT-ORD (AA operated by JL)
ORD-DOH (AA operated by QR)
DOH-NBO (QR operated by QR - though I'd thought this codeshare also once existed)
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OTOH, AA codes operated by BA usually have to connect to the intl AA flight. Which means no stopovers. Which would mean no min stay when needed for a RTW fare.
I don't know why AA doesn't tend to allow stops but BA codes do, but IME that's what I've seen.
(I like your use of 'daisy-chain' - best I could think of was 'thread')
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JAXBA: Thank you for your very helpful post. If I understand correctly, the relevant portions of my AONE4 would be as follows:
LHR-MIA on BA
MIA-PHX on AA (BA code share)
PHX-ANC on AA (code share non-existent)
ANC-PHX on AA (code share non-existent)
PHX-ORD on AA (BA code share exists, but not "legal")
ORD-SAN on AA (BA code share exists, but not "legal")
SAN-ORD on AA (BA code share exists, but not "legal")
ORD-HKG on CX (AA code share)
HKG-JNB on CX (JL code share)
JNB-CPT on Comair (BA)
Am I correct in believing that, if I dumped the ANC-PHX-ANC legs and used them for a couple of Asian legs later in the itinerary, PHX-ORD-SAN-ORD would be allowed as BA code shares?
In the past I've had an AA flight issued a BA code share, and then AA have changed their schedule and the BA code share has automatically been changed to an AA numbered flight. What would happen to subsequent BA code shares on the same ticket? Would they be affected assuming the ticket has already been issued?
LHR-MIA on BA
MIA-PHX on AA (BA code share)
PHX-ANC on AA (code share non-existent)
ANC-PHX on AA (code share non-existent)
PHX-ORD on AA (BA code share exists, but not "legal")
ORD-SAN on AA (BA code share exists, but not "legal")
SAN-ORD on AA (BA code share exists, but not "legal")
ORD-HKG on CX (AA code share)
HKG-JNB on CX (JL code share)
JNB-CPT on Comair (BA)
Am I correct in believing that, if I dumped the ANC-PHX-ANC legs and used them for a couple of Asian legs later in the itinerary, PHX-ORD-SAN-ORD would be allowed as BA code shares?
In the past I've had an AA flight issued a BA code share, and then AA have changed their schedule and the BA code share has automatically been changed to an AA numbered flight. What would happen to subsequent BA code shares on the same ticket? Would they be affected assuming the ticket has already been issued?
Last edited by Full Score; Jan 23, 2016 at 6:40 pm
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In the past I've had an AA flight issued a BA code share, and then AA have changed their schedule and the BA code share has automatically been changed to an AA numbered flight. What would happen to subsequent BA code shares on the same ticket? Would they be affected assuming the ticket has already been issued?
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I’m a Florida-based flyer trying to find a way to meet the minimum of 4 BA flights per year for BA Silver. I’d like to avoid flying to Europe. Based on this thread I checked to see if BA would sell me a ticket from the US to Canada or anywhere in Central/South America. I confirmed BA had a codeshare flight available on the routes I checked. Appears the restriction isn’t limited to just intra-US flights, but also applies to codeshares in the Western Hemisphere without a connecting flight from Europe. Am I missing anything? Sounds like I might have to fly to Europe one weekend…
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I’m a Florida-based flyer trying to find a way to meet the minimum of 4 BA flights per year for BA Silver. I’d like to avoid flying to Europe. Based on this thread I checked to see if BA would sell me a ticket from the US to Canada or anywhere in Central/South America. I confirmed BA had a codeshare flight available on the routes I checked. Appears the restriction isn’t limited to just intra-US flights, but also applies to codeshares in the Western Hemisphere without a connecting flight from Europe. Am I missing anything? Sounds like I might have to fly to Europe one weekend…
You may want to look at these threads in the BA forum that are more relevant to your query:
British Airways silver - the 4 eligible flights?
I Need 2 eligible flights to retain silver!
Does BA operate any 5th freedom routes?
BA "Eligible" Flights out of NYC
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