Any flatbed between european countries?
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Intra-European flat beds are rare because the market will no longer tolerate the accompanying prices.
Except for equipment swaps there are a small number of exceptions.
QR do ZAG-BUD and TBS-GYD on A320s as fifth freedom flights. These are sometimes flat beds and sometimes they are recliner seats. QR also used to do OTP-SOF but SOF recently received direct service from DOH.
LA do MAD-FRA.
There is only one of these flights per day, so watch out. It's for the cargo capacity. Most flights are standard European business.
Yes, the MOW-LON traffic will tolerate the cost.
It is in a "mid haul" configuration with flat beds.
http://www.thebasource.com/seatmaps/a321/23j131y.html
Except for equipment swaps there are a small number of exceptions.
QR do ZAG-BUD and TBS-GYD on A320s as fifth freedom flights. These are sometimes flat beds and sometimes they are recliner seats. QR also used to do OTP-SOF but SOF recently received direct service from DOH.
LA do MAD-FRA.
http://www.thebasource.com/seatmaps/a321/23j131y.html
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It never is about "making sense".
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Perhaps OP purchased a European business class ticket before and couldn't work out why they still ended up in economy class, only with a curtain behind them separating them from another part of economy class. So now they are asking if there is business class in Europe?
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The LAN flights MAD-FRA-MAD are on a 787 (through service to/from Santiago).
One note is that, although Spain and Germany are both Schengen, the flight is treated as an "international" flight, even if you are only doing the intra-European segment(s)
One note is that, although Spain and Germany are both Schengen, the flight is treated as an "international" flight, even if you are only doing the intra-European segment(s)
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Europe and Asia are very different markets, aside from just much greater distances between cities, there are also plenty of companies here who let their employees waste ridiculous amounts of money on premium cabins even for fairly short flights. A lot more business is done face to face here and in some countries takes more visits for relationship building before deals are made, so this supports a market with real premium cabins and no shortage of people to pay for them.
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If I had the choice between a flat bed and a regular seat, whether the flight is 30 minutes or 14 hours, I would choose the flat bed.
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Intra-European flat beds are rare because the market will no longer tolerate the accompanying prices.
Except for equipment swaps there are a small number of exceptions.
QR do ZAG-BUD and TBS-GYD on A320s as fifth freedom flights. These are sometimes flat beds and sometimes they are recliner seats. QR also used to do OTP-SOF but SOF recently received direct service from DOH.
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http://www.thebasource.com/seatmaps/a321/23j131y.html
Except for equipment swaps there are a small number of exceptions.
QR do ZAG-BUD and TBS-GYD on A320s as fifth freedom flights. These are sometimes flat beds and sometimes they are recliner seats. QR also used to do OTP-SOF but SOF recently received direct service from DOH.
...snip...
http://www.thebasource.com/seatmaps/a321/23j131y.html
But back to the original issue, I think that except for places like Moscow and Istanbul, Europe isn't big enough to support the demand for fully flat biz seats. I understand that lie flat is almost always preferable to recliners or the economy seats with the middle blocked that most European airlines use, but since very few intra-European flights operate overnight, most people eat and work and read instead of sleeping on the daytime flights.
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Not oneworld, but GA flies a 777 LGW-AMS with fully lie flat seats and has rights to sell seats on that segment.
It is obviously not there to serve local traffic. And the trend is going the other way: BA's new seating, which I just had the pleasure to sample, is Ryanair-worthy (not enough space to read a newspaper in business class!).
It is obviously not there to serve local traffic. And the trend is going the other way: BA's new seating, which I just had the pleasure to sample, is Ryanair-worthy (not enough space to read a newspaper in business class!).
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Due to cargo requirements, Finnair on HEL-BRU once a week (thursdays IIRC) is A340 with longhaul configuration.
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Yes, first time pleasently surprised. After that I tried to schedule my BRU-HEL travel on thursdays. Last time, 4 weeks ago, the purser said the A340 occasionally does the same route on wednesdays too ^
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I just can't fathom what kind of cargo traffic between those cities might require a 343 between those cities.
I understand that Eurobureaucrats are fat, but I didn't think it reached those levels!
Indeed it's on the schedule for some Wednesdays as well.
I understand that Eurobureaucrats are fat, but I didn't think it reached those levels!

Indeed it's on the schedule for some Wednesdays as well.
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Naturally, using HEL hub to transfer cargo.
Has been done for a long time, started with MD11
AY has PHARMA certificate, presumably important to BRU:
http://www.finnairgroup.com/mediaen/...l_1700141.html
Has been done for a long time, started with MD11
AY has PHARMA certificate, presumably important to BRU:
http://www.finnairgroup.com/mediaen/...l_1700141.html

