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Old Dec 3, 2012 | 9:56 am
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Originally Posted by anabolism
Sorry, I can't figure out what you are saying -- can you explain, please? How can one get even a Y fare sub-$1,000 for an ex-US xONEx? And how have you managed to remove a portion of the fuel surcharge?
No, a Y fare to JNB.
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Old Dec 3, 2012 | 11:06 am
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Originally Posted by AA_EXP09
Even then if you're willing to travel Y the AI price is <1000 from the US.
So far have removed a portion of the fuel as well.
What does that have to do with anything that is being discussed in this thread?
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Old Dec 3, 2012 | 11:13 pm
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Originally Posted by jerry a. laska
What does that have to do with anything that is being discussed in this thread?
Thread is about cheap places to start a DONE4. If you are pricing it it ex-JNB, your first flight on the ticket must originate at JNB. If you're not already there, you must get yourself there to start flying the DONE4 itinerary. So, when looking at the real cost, you need to add the "positioning" cost of getting to the origin point of your itinerary.
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Old Dec 4, 2012 | 4:55 pm
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Originally Posted by JohnAx
It has been asserted upthread that if you can use the OW on-line booking tool there's no need for Canadian involvement.
However, if you later want to make a routing change AA ticketing may well notice if you used a US-based credit card, declare the original pricing incorrect and decide to collect the difference. The problem does not arise with date/time changes.
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Old Dec 4, 2012 | 6:09 pm
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Originally Posted by ajnaro
However, if you later want to make a routing change AA ticketing may well notice if you used a US-based credit card, declare the original pricing incorrect and decide to collect the difference. The problem does not arise with date/time changes.
I don't recall anyone ever reporting this
Can you point to an occurrence?

Also, on what basis could AA do this? Is there something in its T&Cs that would allow it to do it (my rudimentary knowledge of contract law says this would not be allowed - a done deal is a done deal)
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Old Dec 4, 2012 | 6:21 pm
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Originally Posted by ajnaro
However, if you later want to make a routing change AA ticketing may well notice if you used a US-based credit card, declare the original pricing incorrect and decide to collect the difference. The problem does not arise with date/time changes.
Originally Posted by pandaperth
I don't recall anyone ever reporting this
Can you point to an occurrence?

Also, on what basis could AA do this? Is there something in its T&Cs that would allow it to do it (my rudimentary knowledge of contract law says this would not be allowed - a done deal is a done deal)
I would agree with pandaperth. No one has ever reported this happening. And what could be wrong with using a US based credit card in this context. If I am on the ground in JNB purchasing a xonex I can use a US based credit card, if I have a relationship with a travel agent in JNB I can use a US based credit card to purchase an xonex.
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Old Dec 4, 2012 | 8:18 pm
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It happened to me in 2011. I had a rtw ticket starting in Amman, issued on-line by AA's oneworld booking tool at the ex-Amman price while I was physically in Rio de Janeiro, but using a US credit card. There was no contact with a travel agent or ticket office anywhere. When I wanted to change the routing I initially had no trouble with AA's round the world desk in the US, but a few days later they called me and said I would have to pay several thousand dollars more, but I could change the dates without any trouble. They explicitly mentioned that the on-line ticket was considered US issued because of the credit card. They said that the on-line tool had made an error by giving me the Jordanian price, but since it was, in their view, an AA error they would honor the ticket with the original routing. Perhaps there would have been no problem with a foreign issued ticket with a US credit card if it involved a travel agent or an overseas ticket office. And perhaps it was just an unusual case of bad luck. By the way, I vaguely remember posting about this problem on FT at the time, but I can't locate a reference.
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Old Dec 4, 2012 | 11:57 pm
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Originally Posted by ajnaro
It happened to me in 2011. I had a rtw ticket starting in Amman, issued on-line by AA's oneworld booking tool at the ex-Amman price while I was physically in Rio de Janeiro, but using a US credit card. There was no contact with a travel agent or ticket office anywhere. When I wanted to change the routing I initially had no trouble with AA's round the world desk in the US, but a few days later they called me and said I would have to pay several thousand dollars more, but I could change the dates without any trouble. They explicitly mentioned that the on-line ticket was considered US issued because of the credit card. They said that the on-line tool had made an error by giving me the Jordanian price, but since it was, in their view, an AA error they would honor the ticket with the original routing. Perhaps there would have been no problem with a foreign issued ticket with a US credit card if it involved a travel agent or an overseas ticket office. And perhaps it was just an unusual case of bad luck. By the way, I vaguely remember posting about this problem on FT at the time, but I can't locate a reference.
I found this post about your use of the ow rtw tool to purchase your ticket; reporting that it worked perfectly:
The oneworld rtw booking site worked perfectly for me with a routing ex-AMM on Sunday March 6th (with the exception of not offering IB segments). It accepted my US issued credit card and our AAdvantage numbers with US addresses without making any problems, although I was physically located in Brasil (as AA could tell from the ip address, if they care). AA immediately sent an e-mail saying:

“Booking Confirmation

Thank you for booking a oneworld Explorer ticket.
Your trip is confirmed and your American Airlines confirmation number is …...

This is not a travel document. As noted during the booking process, an electronic ticket will be issued by American Airlines shortly and an itinerary and receipt will be sent to your email address.”

As far as I can tell AA did not charge, or even pre-authorize, my credit card on Sunday and the reservation remained ‘on request’ until Wednesday March 9th, when I decided to call the rtw desk. The agent said he would have to call ticketing because there was a ‘note’ on the reservation, put me on hold for a short time, and then came back saying that our tickets had been issued. There was no more talk about the note or anything else. The price used was ex-AMM, not ex-US or ex-Brasil. So everything worked, although it took a while.


route:
amm-jfk-gig-scl-ipc-scl-gig-jfk-nrt-bkk-nrt-han-hkg-par-hel-(par-)-amm
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/16007928-post2.html

The only way I can conceive that the AA rtw desk would care (or even notice) is if someone tried to change the first flight. In that situation, I could see them saying that they would have to reprice the ticket.

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Old Dec 5, 2012 | 12:03 am
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Originally Posted by ajnaro
I had a rtw ticket starting in Amman, issued on-line by AA's oneworld booking tool at the ex-Amman price while I was physically in Rio de Janeiro, but using a US credit card. There was no contact with a travel agent or ticket office anywhere. When I wanted to change the routing I initially had no trouble with AA's round the world desk in the US, but a few days later they called me and said I would have to pay several thousand dollars more, but I could change the dates without any trouble. They explicitly mentioned that the on-line ticket was considered US issued because of the credit card. They said that the on-line tool had made an error by giving me the Jordanian price, but since it was, in their view, an AA error they would honor the ticket with the original routing.
Did you make any change to the first flight?
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Old Dec 5, 2012 | 1:57 am
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In 2010, when QF still handled the online ticketing for JL, I booked an exNRT DONE3 using both a +61 phone number and AU based card.

QF Tokyo had issues charging the card (default daily transaction limits the bank had never told me about) and asked QF Sydney to call me. Between public holidays in Japan, work in CBR and some back and fourth between the bank and QF SYD, it took about a week before everything was sorted out and the transaction authority went through.

I was charged the Japan price despite QF knowing full well that I was in CBR at the time. The only cost issue was forex changes between AUD and JPY between the time it was ticketed and QF finally decided to take the money out. (having a QF issued DAS13 in the system at the time as positioning flights may have helped, but I doubt it)
CBR-xSYD-NRT,HND-KIX-NRT-xSIN-xPER-MEL
NRT-SIN-HKG-JFK-DFW-ORD-MCO-xDFW-SEA-xJFK-CDG-HEL-xLHR-xDXB-xLHR-xHKG-NRT

This year, I had a CX issued exICN DONE3. Again I had an AU phone number and credit card in the booking. No issues and was charged the Korean price. Would have done the same last year, but the tool kept falling and had to book via agent in Canada.


In 2009, I booked an LONE4 (my last before starting to use DONEx's ) out of CBR with the online tool. I used an AA codeshare on a QF CBR-SYD flight so AA would ticket. I was also able to book an AS flight LAX-PDX using the QF code.
CBR-xSYD-xLAX-PDX-DFW-DEN-xDFW-BOS-xMIA-ATL-LHR-xSIN-KUL-NRT-KIX-xSIN-xMEL-CBR
I was keeping track of the changes as they happened (such as AA canning the DEN-xORD-BOS direct and rerouting me via DFW and forcing a 17 sector ticket). Technically I shouldn't have been able to book CBR-SYD on the AA code without also booking QF11 on the AA code, and I shouldn't have been able to book the LAX-PDX at all.
A few weeks out, AA BNE called me to go over the changes (which I already knew about). Only then did they notice the AS operated flight. After checking with Dallas, they let me keep it as it had gotten through and the ticket issued.

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Old Dec 5, 2012 | 3:40 am
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Originally Posted by anabolism
Did you make any change to the first flight?
I never tried to make any changes to the first segment. The segments I was trying to change were in fact the last few, involving HEL and CDG, and the first part of the ticket had already been flown.

The ticket picked out above by jerry a. laska is exactly the one I'm talking about. It was issued by AA with only one small hitch, described explicitly there. The problem arose while trying to reroute the last few segments. As it happens, the AA rtw desk people were on my side, saying the ticket should be reissued without change of the base price. They were overruled by tariffs. I wound up simply changing dates and was charged nothing.
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