Is oneworld alliance going to die!!!
 

Oneworld alliance really seems to be in trouble

American airlines-Bankrupt and is now third largest in the US

Qantas - seem to be committing suicide pulling out if so many routes including Auckland LA and London to Hong Kong and Bangkok,Jetstar seems to be taking over their many routes and people here in NZ are speculating that jetstar will take over Auckland to LA.Qantas is also not keen on adding new destination or expanding and seem to try their best to not work with Cathay but against them by not code sharing with them and suggesting a jetstar hong kong

Malaysia airlines , joining soon but its not doing well with Air asia and Singapore airlines competition , it still ahs not been able to make a profit and is just cutting routes like crazy especially to the middle east.

Air Berlin just got saved by etihad really and lufthansa have the edge in Germany

Royal Jordanian- really tiny and their fleet expansion land and route expansion are minuscule compared to their gigantic neighbours

Malev-well it does not operate anymore will most likely leave alliance

Mexicana- is dead is going to leave the alliance soon

Kingfisher- It is so sad that they are in such a horrible position they are India's best airline and entrance into oneworld would have helped them a lot and become a stronger airline also oneworld could have established itself and a brand in India

British Airways Iberia seem to be doing okay but not as great as expected .

Cathay is probably doing the best of the lot has strong growth and high profits, it may leave oneworld.

But the alliance really cannot just have one or two surviving or healthy airlines

Latam may go to star hope it stays with oneworld but with all the other members falling apart them may decide to move.

Jal yay!! the other good story now apart from Cathay they seem to be on track to return to their former glory .

China not one member due to Cathay block of Hainan, seems fair though If hainan wanted to enter oneworld, buying and establishing and airline to compete against and become the main airline in another one world airlines home market is really not a smart idea!! (hong kong airlines already hate them I really do not want to see cathay go kaput because of them, and because they are Chinese owned they do not have to pay EU carbon tax so its really quite unfair competition>

Compare this to star which has United and lufthansa to huge airlines along with airchina and so many other huge airlines

or even skyteam with delta and Airfrance, Korean air and China eastern and southern



So is there a future for oneworld?? I give it just a few years.

By the way oneworld is my favourite alliance but they do not seem to be managing their airlines well or attracting airlines with string balance sheets

By no metric are they the best airline in India, nor have they ever been close.

Kingfisher's loss last quarter of almost $100 million pretty much means that they can't afford to keep operating for much longer, forget about joining oneworld anytime soon.
Why LATAM Is Practically Guaranteed To Join OneWorld Alliance

I mean't they were the best in terms of service at least in the 2005 to 2008 period when we flew them.

In terms of managing their accounts they are pathetic but then so are all the Indian carriers

They are not bankrupt, they are in bankruptcy protection. They will emerge from Chapter 11 slightly smaller, right before they start getting their new short haul fleet of 460 aircraft and will be better placed to compete with UA and DL. Most of the reason they have gone from biggest to third is because UA ate CO and DL ate NW.

QF and CX not working well together isn't because QF doesn't want to, its CX being CX. It is annoying that JQ appears to be slowly replacing QF, they should be complimenting each other not have the cheaper one eat away at the other. Most of the problems QF has is because of the unions and Australian government. If a few people grew some brains, things should get a bit better. Although some of the actions of the current and previous CEOs have been a bit questionable, the delays to the 787 and A380 haven't helped. QF has added new destinations, DFW and SCL (though at the cost of SFO and EZE). Having JQ/3K join OW would be useful and QF should improve, provided they can survive the next few years.

All of India's airlines are having major problems. If the Indian Government doesn't step in and do something soon, most of India's airlines will die. Though the governments ownership of AI doesn't help here.

Why would CX leave OW?

Thanks to merger conditions placed on them by the local regulators, Lan and Tam's choices are to go with Oneworld or no one. One regulator said must go with Star or OW, the other said they can't be in the same alliance as Avianca (star).

Hainan's market is not the same as CXs. CX/KA does not operate mainland china domestic flights. HU does. CX doesn't want HU in oneworld because of their connection to HX. The other mainland carriers aren't an option. CX thinks that Chinese domestic pax should just connect through HKG.

Star Alliance and SkyTeam airlines are having just as many problems as OneWorld carriers.

Did you fly anybody else? Sure, they were good, but during that time period Indian Airlines and Jet Airways were better. That hasn't changed.

I think they are going to die! One world has had WAY to many problems!

I wrote about the qantas changes here:
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And on Feb 3rd I wrote about how these alliances are Jinxed! Both Star and One world but even more so One world!

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You forgot S7

If LATAM join Oneworld, which is most likely, that would be great for Oneworld, as they would have domination in a growing market.

[QUOTE=rockferd;18032248]I think they are going to die! One world has had WAY to many problems!

I wrote about the qantas changes here:
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And on Feb 3rd I wrote about how these alliances are Jinxed! Both Star and One world but even more so One world!

<redacted>I don't mean to be rude, but I wish I could get the 2 minutes I just spent reading that BS back...

To everyone else: don't waste your time reading it...

And Finnair, which the Finnish government is looking to sell and/or downsize.

hope Hainan would join one world since OW doesn't have domestic options within China.

[QUOTE=rockferd;18032248]I think they are going to die! One world has had WAY to many problems!

I wrote about the qantas changes here:
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And on Feb 3rd I wrote about how these alliances are Jinxed! Both Star and One world but even more so One world!

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That's right - both OW & *A and horrible and will die soon.
ST is the only good and viable alliance.:D
If you believe that I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

LOL
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Warning, one or two insane ideas here afloat. readers be aware.

Yes, I suppose that it could. But is there any realistic possibility? Nah. You have any facts to back this one up?


Nonsense. Pure nonsense.

I clicked through to the link and took one look at the background and font colour combination and thought, no thanks.....

Some airlines amongst ST and *A are going through a variety of problems, it is not something unique to OW. However I don't believe it signals their demise anytime in the near future.

i think, OW aren't really going to die.. As..

* BD bought by BA
* JJ merged with LA into LATAM
* (speculation) US will eventually join as they will buy AA's stakes

i]Airberlin are about to join.
ii]OW will gain even more status in SE Asia as Malaysia Airlines join.
iii]Kingfisher's problem with IATA clearing house are over, so it just needs to sign an interline agreement with CX and then it will be in Oneworld very soon*, giving OW status in India. While many have been talking about how while the other alliances have status in domestic China which OW doesn't have, OW would have status in domestic India which none of the other alliances have.

* - Kingfisher have other economic problems, which would improve once they join Oneworld, but there is a small, but present possibility that they cease operation temporarily or ground aircraft temporarily, actions which could lead CX to refuse to re-sign the interline agreement. If IT's membership is postponed further than 2012, then it may give up and cease operations permanently, because OW membership in the near future is currently 1 of only 3 hopes that are keeping it alive.

Agreed. While a number of oneworld carriers are hitting a serious rough patch, this is more indicative of the industry as a whole, not just oneworld itself. LATAM is going to be an absolute juggernaut in S. America, while Cathay and JAL will be strong anchors for the Asian front. IAG are one of the few (only?) groups in Europe that are in good shape and in a buying mood. Things will change, but oneworld will still survive.

While Kingfisher's issues with the IATA Clearing House are over, I remain convinced that they will never join OW. I gave them 6 months for survival 2 months ago, and I stand by that estimate. In July, this airline will not exist.

I guess I do need that address for a deaddiction clinic then, because I still have some hope for it:cool: But I can see what you're saying happening as well.

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The last time I flushed a toilet on BA it made a unique sound. That signaled BA's downfall, and the end of OneWorld as a whole. :p

That sound really sucks ... :D

It seems we have been infected by Anutters!:eek:
Really after the OP's first few sentences I stopped reading and then spammer rockfred plugging of that garbage site....:td:

Complete nonsense. About as likely as DL buying UA. :rolleyes:

about DL buying AA, I don't think that's a good idea. The other oneworld members gonna protest on that...

Attempts were made that had US being worked into a combination with UA during the Clinton Administration. "DC Air" was to be the carve out given to an area business big whig as a way to try to get it approved by the Clinton DoJ. Now US-AA may make more sense as a pursuit than even that aborted combination from two Administrations back.

I doubt that Oneworld is going to die anytime soon, much as I doubt that US is going to be around Star Alliance for another decade.

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And I am positive QF qill survive.

Cathay should just move to StarAlliance. But I think SQ/TG will block it

Again, why would CX want to leave Oneworld?

SQ/TG could block CX, or CX could figure why bother competing. I doubt CX is going anywhere.
Kingfisher, that was a serious Fu(*&^ck on whoever invited them. Any sort of due dilligance (or just reading flyertalk or airliners.net) would show they have some very serious financial issues. I think Jet would have been a much better choice, if not for the fact they seem to have a better network than IT.
MX, may she rest in peace, but not the biggest blow, same with MA.
AA and JL are on the track to getting their finances back in order.
QF I am a bit worried about, I think jetstar is taking over too much.
MH, great airline and it seems the Malaysian govt will dump money into them for a while.
Overall things at OW might not be perfect, but could be worse.
I will say though I wish we picked up China eastern. Yes their onboard product kind of sucks, but all chinese carriers are not much better.

What I've always wondered about is how QFFs can earn points on China Eastern, when MU is with SkyTeam. No SCs, but not a bad start, millsdale!

Eh, not exactly...
AY is looking for a partner to reach 2 goals; radically lower costs for its euro traffic and to increase presence in the nordics. One could argue that it is a downsizing, as some planes and crews may have to leave the legacy carrier, but the intended result is an increase of total amount of traffic under AY (and partner) control.

Finnish government have said that if their holdings (currently ≈56%) is blocking such a deal, they are willing to discuss a reduction, but they are determined to stay a major shareholder for the foreseeable future.

MU and QF worked together long before MU joined ST.... It was more Chinese politics than airline decision.. Maybe MU want to be in the same alliance as CZ to compete with CA ad its subsidiaries...

Or perhaps the CEO's personal preference...

Jetstar Scandinavia? :p

:D

Well, I hope not, but it is hard to completely discard the thought...
AY and BA already co-owns a "jetstar" called FlyBe, but from communications it seems that FlyBe is out of the question for this task.

So OW did not bribe the right Chinese official:D It is my understanding that all CZ, MU, and CA are for the most part state owned, so you are not really competeing against each other. I would see it better from the chinese government to have one in each alliance to balance it out and give each airline their own following. Now Skyteam partners will be splitting feed between CZ and MU when they could just be sending it CZ.

I feel that EY will be invited soon to join OW.

It is the obvious move of OW members to combat EK crazy expansion every where.