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Himeno Feb 21, 2012 4:49 am


Originally Posted by lingua101 (Post 18054256)
Cathay should just move to StarAlliance. But I think SQ/TG will block it

Again, why would CX want to leave Oneworld?

millsdale Feb 22, 2012 7:14 pm

SQ/TG could block CX, or CX could figure why bother competing. I doubt CX is going anywhere.
Kingfisher, that was a serious Fu(*&^ck on whoever invited them. Any sort of due dilligance (or just reading flyertalk or airliners.net) would show they have some very serious financial issues. I think Jet would have been a much better choice, if not for the fact they seem to have a better network than IT.
MX, may she rest in peace, but not the biggest blow, same with MA.
AA and JL are on the track to getting their finances back in order.
QF I am a bit worried about, I think jetstar is taking over too much.
MH, great airline and it seems the Malaysian govt will dump money into them for a while.
Overall things at OW might not be perfect, but could be worse.
I will say though I wish we picked up China eastern. Yes their onboard product kind of sucks, but all chinese carriers are not much better.

Catweazle Feb 23, 2012 5:16 am

What I've always wondered about is how QFFs can earn points on China Eastern, when MU is with SkyTeam. No SCs, but not a bad start, millsdale!

intuition Feb 23, 2012 2:12 pm


Originally Posted by peterjloh (Post 18032809)
And Finnair, which the Finnish government is looking to sell and/or downsize.

Eh, not exactly...
AY is looking for a partner to reach 2 goals; radically lower costs for its euro traffic and to increase presence in the nordics. One could argue that it is a downsizing, as some planes and crews may have to leave the legacy carrier, but the intended result is an increase of total amount of traffic under AY (and partner) control.

Finnish government have said that if their holdings (currently ≈56%) is blocking such a deal, they are willing to discuss a reduction, but they are determined to stay a major shareholder for the foreseeable future.

123dd Feb 23, 2012 7:43 pm


Originally Posted by Catweazle (Post 18067329)
What I've always wondered about is how QFFs can earn points on China Eastern, when MU is with SkyTeam. No SCs, but not a bad start, millsdale!

MU and QF worked together long before MU joined ST.... It was more Chinese politics than airline decision.. Maybe MU want to be in the same alliance as CZ to compete with CA ad its subsidiaries...

ernestnywang Feb 23, 2012 8:00 pm


Originally Posted by 123dd (Post 18071947)
It was more Chinese politics than airline decision..

Or perhaps the CEO's personal preference...

Himeno Feb 23, 2012 11:16 pm


Originally Posted by intuition (Post 18070310)
Eh, not exactly...
AY is looking for a partner to reach 2 goals; radically lower costs for its euro traffic and to increase presence in the nordics. One could argue that it is a downsizing, as some planes and crews may have to leave the legacy carrier, but the intended result is an increase of total amount of traffic under AY (and partner) control.

Jetstar Scandinavia? :p

intuition Feb 24, 2012 2:34 am


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 18072751)
Jetstar Scandinavia? :p

:D

Well, I hope not, but it is hard to completely discard the thought...
AY and BA already co-owns a "jetstar" called FlyBe, but from communications it seems that FlyBe is out of the question for this task.

millsdale Feb 24, 2012 7:39 pm


Originally Posted by 123dd (Post 18071947)
MU and QF worked together long before MU joined ST.... It was more Chinese politics than airline decision.. Maybe MU want to be in the same alliance as CZ to compete with CA ad its subsidiaries...

So OW did not bribe the right Chinese official:D It is my understanding that all CZ, MU, and CA are for the most part state owned, so you are not really competeing against each other. I would see it better from the chinese government to have one in each alliance to balance it out and give each airline their own following. Now Skyteam partners will be splitting feed between CZ and MU when they could just be sending it CZ.

NA-Flyer Feb 25, 2012 12:19 am

I feel that EY will be invited soon to join OW.

It is the obvious move of OW members to combat EK crazy expansion every where.

Himeno Feb 25, 2012 3:32 am


Originally Posted by NA-Flyer (Post 18078320)
I feel that EY will be invited soon to join OW.

How so? If it were to happen, it would be either AA or BA sponsoring them into the alliance. I don't think it is as likely as it could have been as they swapped Australian partners from QF to DJ/VA.

razMJ Feb 25, 2012 4:39 am


Originally Posted by NA-Flyer (Post 18078320)
I feel that EY will be invited soon to join OW.

It is the obvious move of OW members to combat EK crazy expansion every where.


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 18078664)
How so? If it were to happen, it would be either AA or BA sponsoring them into the alliance. I don't think it is as likely as it could have been as they swapped Australian partners from QF to DJ/VA.

It is obvious that OW will invite EY, but the question is whether EY will choose to join OW or not.EY, unlike EK, claim to be looking to join an alliance, and that it would probably either be OW or *A. It has partner airberlin in OW, and Virgin Australia, opposed to both BA and QF and allied with SQ, a *A member. It does have other partnerships with OW members and *A members, but most of those are less important.
I really don't know which one it will join, but seeing its large stake in airberlin, it seems a bit towards the OW side, but things can change.

onobond Feb 26, 2012 1:47 pm


Originally Posted by og (Post 18043097)


Originally Posted by mzkaiser (Post 18040842)
The last time I flushed a toilet on BA it made a unique sound. That signaled BA's downfall, and the end of OneWorld as a whole. :p

That sound really sucks ... :D

Sure, but all of us taking a shower in BA LHR T5 F Lounge has heard worse sucking sounds, for years. Maybe that's BD beeing sucked into IAG?
;)

razMJ Feb 26, 2012 2:18 pm


Originally Posted by onobond (Post 18085769)
Sure, but all of us taking a shower in BA LHR T5 F Lounge has heard worse sucking sounds, for years. Maybe that's BD beeing sucked into IAG?
;)

:D

Awesom Andy Feb 27, 2012 12:43 am


Originally Posted by millsdale (Post 18065531)
QF I am a bit worried about, I think jetstar is taking over too much.

Thought I might mention that, at the NATAS fair (largest travel show in SIN), QF didn't bother with their share of the stall, handing it all to BA. Jetstar also made a presence (with a few of the "business" class seats which looked downright horrible at their stall). It looks like QF is all but exiting the Asia region, if you ask me. :eek:


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 18072751)
Jetstar Scandinavia? :p

Can't see a budget airline being based in countries with such high labour/operating costs.


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