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moa999 Jul 5, 2011 5:28 pm


Originally Posted by hotpot1 (Post 16671768)
But with a US Passport, getting a Sudanese tourist visa... not so easy.

From what I read yes. Although at least you have an Sudanese embassy in your country (well at least a 'North' Sudan embassy)


Originally Posted by hotpot1 (Post 16671768)
I don't want to chance it, buying a one-way ticket on Egypt Air hoping for a TWOV, then not being allowed to disembark (or even embark in Cairo...) and messing up my whole itinerary.

I am looking at coming in from UAE and their are some late night flights on flydubai and Air Sharjah that meet the Timatic six-hour TWOV rule for the Royal Jordanian but struggling to get positive confirmation on this from wither airline and equally don't want to be denied boarding at the airport.
(flydubai responded to an email stating we can't provide you with information, you are responsible for the right documents, please contact embassy, but then went on to say we can deny you boarding if you don't have the right documents... how they can not have the right information but then deny boarding I don't know)


Originally Posted by hotpot1 (Post 16671768)
Though with the KRT departure tax of like $250usd in business, plus the $100 for Sudan visa, probably another $150+ in fees to get the visa, $350 flight from Cairo, and the stress/hassle,

Where did you get the departure tax number from?. Only refs I have had to a departure tax is USD/SGP 20 (about US8 if in SGP) or SGP 35 (wikipedia). It used to be SDD 2500 which converted to SGP 25

DownUnderFlyer Jul 6, 2011 5:28 am


Originally Posted by hotpot1 (Post 16671768)
I was thinking of doing something similar. I'd be in Egypt anyway, and would either fly from Cairo to Khartoum, and maybe hang out a few days and look around, or do something more adventurous like take the ferry from Aswan Egypt to Wadi Halfa, Sudan then a train to KRT. But with a US Passport, getting a Sudanese tourist visa... not so easy.

Not easy but not impossible. There are reports that many people get their Sudan visa issued in CAI or ADD rather than their home countries as the process there is much easier. I don't have any first hand experience but I would look into this possibility.

2old4coach Jul 6, 2011 11:34 pm

Exchange rate
 
The key issue here is going to be what your credit card company will bill you for a charge made in Sudan Pounds. I once got a shocking credit card bill for a charge I made in Zimbabwe. If I paid in US dollars on the spot I would have saved many hundreds of dollars. However the Zimbabwe bank charged my card the government exchange rate, which was 4 times the going ( street rate). So beware.

I would like to hear from anyone who makes this journey and starts a Aone4 in Sudan.

Good Luck!

Cheers!

Kiwi Flyer Jul 7, 2011 2:51 am


Originally Posted by 3544quebec (Post 16586522)
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: Please explain :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Start at this post on my trip report.

moa999 Jul 7, 2011 6:01 am


Originally Posted by 2old4coach (Post 16684632)
I would like to hear from anyone who makes this journey and starts a Aone4 in Sudan.

Online, when you go through the booking you appear to get charged in USD, converted seemingly at a Bank rate, not the IATA rate.
May be different through an agent in Sudan.

2old4coach Jul 7, 2011 2:58 pm


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 16685039)
Start at this post on my trip report.

WOW Great report!

Good info on Khartoum.

I read some of your reports: Awesome! I felt I was flying on the same flight experiencing it as you did!

Bravo!

Cheers!
2old4coach

moa999 Jul 7, 2011 6:17 pm


Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 16685039)
Start at this post on my trip report.

Interesting read Kiwi. I assume the 'traffic rights' point meant that LH didn't have rights to carry passengers ADD-KRT, presumably just ADD-FRA and KRT-FRA (ie no other passenger got off the aircraft?)
and not a TWOV issue. Am I right in assuming when you originally checked in at ADD the check-in staff were OK with you transiting KRT on a TWOV.

og Jul 8, 2011 7:43 am


Originally Posted by hotpot1 (Post 16674415)
Ah right, sorry, I meant Oneworld RTW Award thru AA.

AA Award flights- or Award tickets on other airlines (obtained by redeeming FF points) are completely different to xONEx paid tickets.

hotpot1 Jul 8, 2011 12:25 pm


Originally Posted by moa999 (Post 16676837)
Where did you get the departure tax number from?. Only refs I have had to a departure tax is USD/SGP 20 (about US8 if in SGP) or SGP 35 (wikipedia). It used to be SDD 2500 which converted to SGP 25

When I put thru an itin ex-KRT on the OneWorld RTW booking tool, and priced it out, then clicked on TAXES, to see the exact breakdown, there would be a "SDEM" tax of about $240 or so. It only appeared when I had itineraries that included Khartoum, so I'm just assuming. This is a Business class though

I think I'm giving up on KRT as a starting point, unless some political changes happen before my trip and they start handing out tourist visas to Americans willy-nilly. Not sure its worth the hassle to save the $1000 (with all those extra KRT costs) or so over flying from Amman. Would totally suck to try that 6-hour rule and not be allowed to disembark. Even if its the official rule, I think its a roll of the die what kind of officials you'll get at KRT.

moa999 Jul 8, 2011 6:29 pm

Am getting to the same point, although for an AONE there are more savings. I asked some questions on the thorntree board and got this response


The departure fee is no longer required.
which sounds consistent with your extra 'tax', albeit maybe they are taxing like the UK!


however this piece makes it more interesting

I have never heard of anyone transiting through Khartoum International. It sounds impossible to me. There are no "transit" routes through Khartoum International.

Expect problems entering the airport (immigration will want to see a valid visa or invitation letter for a visa on arrival) and going through departures as immigration will not understand the lack of entry and exit visas in your passport - everyone requires an exit visa to leave Sudan.

Kiwi Flyer Jul 9, 2011 4:40 pm


Originally Posted by moa999 (Post 16689523)
Interesting read Kiwi. I assume the 'traffic rights' point meant that LH didn't have rights to carry passengers ADD-KRT, presumably just ADD-FRA and KRT-FRA (ie no other passenger got off the aircraft?)
and not a TWOV issue. Am I right in assuming when you originally checked in at ADD the check-in staff were OK with you transiting KRT on a TWOV.

Probably so, but odd they allowed it to be ticketed and didn't check any time in the months before travel.

I checked in a couple of days earlier ... in Pristina of all places. The agent did not check visas or other rules.

3544quebec Jul 9, 2011 6:11 pm


Originally Posted by hotpot1 (Post 16693635)
Would totally suck to try that 6-hour rule and not be allowed to disembark. Even if its the official rule, I think its a roll of the die what kind of officials you'll get at KRT.

Has the wording changed for the visa requirement?
Delta.com now returns the following:


TWOV (Transit Without Visa):
Visa required, except for Holders of onward tickets for a max.

transit TIRULES/R32 time of 6 hours.
- The onward carrier is required to report the onward booking
to the Immigration Authorities.


This last line makes it a bit problematic if you are flying in on a different ticket to the one you are flying out on as would be the case for everyone commencing an xONEWx from Sudan

And moa999 as long as the following link is still accurate then not everyone requires an exit visa point c) being the most relevant

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/pdfid/469e20832.pdf

4) The following persons shall not require an exit visa in order to leave the
New Sudan:-
a) holders of foreign diplomatic passports.
b) officials of the United Nations and other recognized
International bodies.
c) visitors staying in the New Sudan for not more than three
months.

tauphi Jul 10, 2011 7:58 am


Originally Posted by 3544quebec (Post 16700382)
And moa999 as long as the following link is still accurate then not everyone requires an exit visa point c) being the most relevant

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/pdfid/469e20832.pdf

4) The following persons shall not require an exit visa in order to leave the
New Sudan:-

KRT is in old Sudan.

3544quebec Jul 10, 2011 1:06 pm


Originally Posted by tauphi (Post 16702529)
KRT is in old Sudan.

The above link is from 2003 The person who signed it was a rebel leader who went on to become First Vice President of (old) Sudan. But I don't really have any idea what is new Sudan and what is old Sudan.

somebol Jul 12, 2011 7:13 pm

Could someone with access to EF please post the fares (in local currency) for DONE3/4, AONE3/4 from KRT, Jordan, Israel, Saudi Arabia


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