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Originally Posted by oneworld82 (Post 21422942)

Does a AONE4 itinerary have to be r/t?

Yes, unless an exception applies. From the rules:

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(c)Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin - destination surface segments are permitted as follows
(a) within the country of origin
(b) within the Middle East
(c) between the United States and Canada
(d) between HKG and China
(e) between Malaysia and SIN
(f) within Africa
(g) between Maldives & Sri Lanka/India

http://www.oneworld.com/documents/10...0-2795deb3dc53

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Originally Posted by jerry a. laska (Post 21423240)

Yes, unless an exception applies. From the rules:

http://www.oneworld.com/documents/10...0-2795deb3dc53

And since KRT is considered "middle east" you do not have to return there.

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Originally Posted by JohnAx (Post 21423217)

r/t = round trip? That usually means there-and-back so usually isn't applied to 'around the world' such as AONE4. Anyway, with AONE4 (et al) you are supposed to end up approximately where you began. The are at least half a dozen rules defining 'approximately' so perhaps best to ask what you had in mind. [Um, since you asked in this thread I suppose you want to not return to KRT. I can't pontificate, but I recall that it has been discussed up-thread.]

Well I am confused. I do not mind ending back in KRT... But does it have to be a continuous westward journey? I tried a simple KRT-DXB-SYD-HKG-LAX-LHR-KRT itinerary and was quoted... 18k!

The base fare of an ex-KRT AONE4 is USD15,443 (source: expertflyer). The tool will show you the base fare and all the taxes and surcharges.

The itinerary has to be either eastbound or westbound. Your itinerary is valid.

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Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 21424471)

The base fare of an ex-KRT AONE4 is USD15,443 (source: expertflyer).

It is now one of the most expensive RTW fares after being the cheapest :mad:

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Originally Posted by lcag08 (Post 20860467)

I know that simply changing dates/times doesn't trigger a ticket re-issue. What about the following situations?

1. Booked on an AA flight on BA metal, want to change to AA flight with AA metal

2. Booked on an AA 2-class (Y/F) transcontinental flight, want to change to a 3-class flight (DONE4; so First will need to move back to Business)

Changing dates/times doesn't trigger a fee, but it may trigger a re-issue, but so what? No harm in that, and it's often safer.

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Originally Posted by serfty (Post 20861332)

If it is simply a Date/Time, Carrier or class of service change, then the ticket can simply be 'revalidated' - no USD125 fee is assessable.

As far as AA goes, they appear to have a policy of re-issuing for each and every change rather than just revalidate. Not all one-world airlines do this.

It may depend on the AA rep and the specific flights that are being changed. IME, some AA reps prefer to always re-ticket to avoid any problems, while others will re-validate if AA flights are changed, but re-ticket if other carriers' flights are changed, to be sure the other carrier gets the automated message with updated ticket number.

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Originally Posted by og (Post 20863110)

AA recently (3 weeks ago) made date / time / flight # changes to a couple of xCIRC29SA tickets of mine - without reissuing (ie the ticket number remained the same after the change). This included the first segment.

Are you sure the ticket is valid for the new flights? If I were you, I'd look up the ticket number on refunds.aa.com and double-check each coupon to be sure it matches the PNR segment. Otherwise you won't be able to check-in until the ticket is re-issued, and downstream carriers may cancel your space on their flights.

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Originally Posted by og (Post 21025684)

IIRC, I think that it did change to "request" while confirmations were received from other airlines (LA in my case) and the ticket was re-issued. Now the re-issue happened with the date / time changes (specifically, not city changes) and I was not charged a re-issue fee. I thought it strange to issue new tickets for a simple change but the AA RTW agent said "this is what we do". It was all sorted in <24 hrs.

AA agents generally prefer to re-issue, especially when other carriers are involved, to avoid stranding you if the carrier thinks you're holding space without a ticket.

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Originally Posted by lcag08 (Post 21032665)

A couple of calls to the RTW desk and everything has been resolved. For some reason the rep I made the date/time changes with (nb: no changes to the first segment or any of the routing) decided to re-issue the ticket.

Thankfully the reps last night were able to a) re-validate the ticket and therefore have the ticket updated without a re-issue and then b) (complete guess here as it was still showing as 'on request' after the re-validation) remove the flag to have the ticket re-issued, and therefore return the status to 'ticketed'.

Why "for some reason" and "thankfully?" Re-issuing the ticket makes sure everything is clean and tidy. (But still a good idea to check with non-Sabre carriers to be sure they have your updated e-ticket number and hence won't be canceling your space).

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Originally Posted by NDFan (Post 21033583)

Just be sure to keep checking the RJ segments, especially near to flight time.
There had been changes to my ex-KRT AONE4 prior to its start in April, but AA RTW insisted that ticket only need to be re-validated and not re-issued.
However, 24 hours prior to flight, RJ dropped my KRT-AMM-LHR flights because AA had not re-issued the ticket!

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by NA-Flyer (Post 21424551)

It is now one of the most expensive RTW fares after being the cheapest :mad:

I'm curious how often one gets sold now?

Fascinating thread guys. Just read the whole thing. Congrats to those who took advantage.

Can someone with EF access please post the AONE4 and AONE5 prices from other parts of the middle east and africa ?
Where can the best value be found now ?
Yemen ? Or is it South Africa ?

Cheers.

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Originally Posted by Nizar (Post 21511230)

Review these threads for some prices from other countries:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...my-sale-2.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...nts-xonex.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/20967855-post10.html

Given the substantial change to KRT prices post this thread becoming popular, I suspect some discretion is in order.
If you are thinking of one of these tickets, investing in EF is pretty necessary anyway.

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Originally Posted by moa999 (Post 21728086)

I agree wholeheartedly...

For some, potentailly a very inconveneint development

I've just read more closely the new US Visa Waiver Program restrictions, in which some of those who took advantage of the fantastic ex-KRT xONEx deals might inadvertently get caught up.

http://travel.state.gov/content/visa...r-program.html

Concretely:

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Important Notice:

Under the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015, travelers in the following categories are no longer eligible to travel or be admitted to the United States under the Visa Waiver Program (VWP):

Nationals of VWP countries who have traveled to or been present in Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria on or after March 1, 2011 (with limited exceptions for travel for diplomatic or military purposes in the service of a VWP country).

....

These individuals will still be able to apply for a visa using the regular appointment process at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate.

While the page does mention that certain other travelers may qualify for a waiver of the requirements, it's not clear that they'll think to include a special exception for Flyertalkers. And indeed, as far as making exceptions goes, there are quite some other groups (e.g. International Aid Workers, etc) who are no doubt a much higher priority.

Though I'm not quite sure how this will work in practice, it would be a real PITA for someone to be turned away at the airport on account of this detail....

As there's no possibility anyone still travelling on this great AONEX fare, my suggestion is for anyone affected of these new rules to either report passport with KRT stamp "lost" or get a secondary passport, as I did when planning on an AONE4 ex-KRT with an Israeli passport stamp. I still regret not finalizing the AONE4 plan to that price :o

Beeing in Teheran for some days, 10 years ago, I did have some questions of what matter took me there, at Immigration, when entering USA. After passport renewal, nobody asked anything. Living in a country with VWP you nowadays just do the APC, the only person speaking (most often not) to you is at Customs

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Originally Posted by onobond (Post 26120201)

my suggestion is for anyone affected of these new rules to either report passport with KRT stamp "lost" or get a secondary passport....

Living in a country with VWP you nowadays just do the APC, the only person speaking (most often not) to you is at Customs

Not sure that will work universally. For starts, ever since airlines started sharing APIS data with governments, full PNR info has been collected for all passengers. Consequently, stamp or no-stamp, there's a possibility that having KRT included in a post-2011 itinerary might eventually result in auto-cancellation of the ESTA.

The real problem isn't so much explaining the trip to a CBP officer upon arrival as it is getting on the plane in the first place if one's ESTA is unexpectedly voided by an automated batch-process.

There's really no telling how these new provisions will be implemented in practice - but given the stories one hears of totally law-abiding people being arbitrarily prohibited from travel (sometimes even after check-in), it's not impossible these new regulations might have some nasty unintended consequences for Flyertalkers.

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Originally Posted by onobond (Post 26120201)

I enter USA on ESTA and have used the kiosks the last dozen or so entries. Every single time I still get checked by an immigration official (albeit more quickly than not using the kiosk).

Oh the nostalgia of seeing this thread resurrected:)
(I did an ex-KRT DONE4 in 2013, having purchased the ticket in Oct 2012 just before the fares went up)

I did not know of the new ruling. However the passport which has the Sudan stamps in it has since expired and been renewed. And for a totally unrelated reason I got my latest esta attached to another passport (I have triple nationality). Nowadays when allying for an esta you have to list all other passports you have, which I did.
I entered the US without trouble in January this year.