End of 2010: How can OneWorld's network improve?
Dec 19, 2010 | 7:59 am
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Dec 19, 2010 | 6:11 pm
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Dec 22, 2010 | 3:13 pm
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The position of OW in Europe is also very small compared to *A. With LH and the affiliates *A has much more routes compared to BA and IB. For flights within Western Europe it's hard to find good connections if you're not leaving from UK or Spain. *A has a better network and strategically better hubs.
Would be good if OW could get some fortification there.
And Africa as stated before. Brussels Airlines would have been a good partner and has been codesharing with AA before untill off course it became one of the affiliates of LH.
Would be good if OW could get some fortification there.
And Africa as stated before. Brussels Airlines would have been a good partner and has been codesharing with AA before untill off course it became one of the affiliates of LH.
Dec 22, 2010 | 3:15 pm
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Dec 22, 2010 | 5:15 pm
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Arik Air an alternative African Airline for Oneworld?
Intra-Africa sucks from a *OWE* standpoint as you are logistically only able to visit one country in Africa unless you choose South Africa, which then allows MN to Zimbabwe/Zambia/Namibia/Mauritius.
Not really sure what carriers OW would look at for expansion though
Kenya Airways (KQ) would be a good choice but they're Skyteam.
Ethiopian (ET) is another good option, but they're set to join *A.
Air Nigeria (VK) is okay, not as good as KQ and ET, but it's alliance free. It was started as Virgin Nigeria but Virgin Group now has a minority stake in it (49%). Still does't seem that likely a choice.
@:-)I was excited at first to see that Eagle Air (H7) connects many BA destinations but then I noticed that they mostly fly 19 seater Turbolets (and that's as big as they go) and they even fly a 4 seater Cessna 206! Don't see this happening then...
Air Zimbabwe (UM) seems the best choice as a relatively large airline connecting many BA destinations.
The reality? I don't think there are any airlines in Africa that are both large enough and unaffiliated with Skyteam or *A. Royal Air Maroc or Tunisair might be nice...but they are in "Europe and the Middle East," so aren't really useful when it comes to the issue of *OWE*
Not really sure what carriers OW would look at for expansion though
Kenya Airways (KQ) would be a good choice but they're Skyteam.
Ethiopian (ET) is another good option, but they're set to join *A.
Air Nigeria (VK) is okay, not as good as KQ and ET, but it's alliance free. It was started as Virgin Nigeria but Virgin Group now has a minority stake in it (49%). Still does't seem that likely a choice.
@:-)I was excited at first to see that Eagle Air (H7) connects many BA destinations but then I noticed that they mostly fly 19 seater Turbolets (and that's as big as they go) and they even fly a 4 seater Cessna 206! Don't see this happening then...
Air Zimbabwe (UM) seems the best choice as a relatively large airline connecting many BA destinations.
The reality? I don't think there are any airlines in Africa that are both large enough and unaffiliated with Skyteam or *A. Royal Air Maroc or Tunisair might be nice...but they are in "Europe and the Middle East," so aren't really useful when it comes to the issue of *OWE*
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Dec 23, 2010 | 10:09 pm
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Dec 24, 2010 | 2:22 am
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But CA chairman then the CAAC head made a very big noise in public which forced CX to rethink their position.
CA always wantted to join Star as the political tie with LH and UA, not to mention to many Chinese officials that Star is the Flag Carrier League.
Dec 24, 2010 | 1:50 pm
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When CA first applied to join Star CX actually voted NO.
But CA chairman then the CAAC head made a very big noise in public which forced CX to rethink their position.
CA always wantted to join Star as the political tie with LH and UA, not to mention to many Chinese officials that Star is the Flag Carrier League.
But CA chairman then the CAAC head made a very big noise in public which forced CX to rethink their position.
CA always wantted to join Star as the political tie with LH and UA, not to mention to many Chinese officials that Star is the Flag Carrier League.
Dec 25, 2010 | 5:09 am
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You have to blame CX for not recruiting any mainland Chinese carriers. First they failed to persuade CA, then they failed China Eastern and in the same time they killed Hainan.
In the meantime OW is loosing MH to SkyTeam...All thanks to CX being the only member which can nominate members from Great China/East Asia area.
Now the only choice left will be Royal Brunei and Eva Air for OW in Asia.
Dec 25, 2010 | 10:00 pm
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There is no rule that limits nomination in China/east asia to CX alone. Of course CX will be consulted on such a nomination, they are not the sole authority on China membership.
I don't think the prospect of Hainan in OW is dead. With all the other carriers committed to *A or ST, I think HU joining OW is as close to guaranteed as you can get.
All thanks to CX being the only member which can nominate members from Great China/East Asia area.
Now the only choice left will be Royal Brunei and Eva Air for OW in Asia.
Dec 25, 2010 | 10:00 pm
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All thanks to CX being the only member which can nominate members from Great China/East Asia area.
Now the only choice left will be Royal Brunei and Eva Air for OW in Asia.
Dec 26, 2010 | 3:00 am
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oneworld Managing Partner John McCulloch in June had stated in one interview that only Cathay Pacific can nominee any future East Asian carriers whereas AA will be the sole sponsor for any new North American recruits, and Qantas being the only Pacific sponsors. John McCulloch also said that oneworld is not in talk with Hainan Airlines at all. He was trying to hint that if Hainan wants to join oneworld, talking to Cathay Pacific is the only way in.
Dec 26, 2010 | 12:32 pm
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oneworld Managing Partner John McCulloch in June had stated in one interview that only Cathay Pacific can nominee any future East Asian carriers whereas AA will be the sole sponsor for any new North American recruits, and Qantas being the only Pacific sponsors. John McCulloch also said that oneworld is not in talk with Hainan Airlines at all. He was trying to hint that if Hainan wants to join oneworld, talking to Cathay Pacific is the only way in.
http://www.chinahospitalitynews.com/...orld-alliance/
A senior manager from Hainan Airlines disclosed that the company had already passed their application to the Oneworld Alliance, and Japan Airlines, a member of Oneworld Alliance, who is sharing its code with Hainan Airlines, will be the recommender for this application.
Incidentally , if sponsors can only come from the same geographic region why is BA sponsoring ITs entry to OW ?