End of 2010: How can OneWorld's network improve?
#16
Ambassador: Japan Airlines



Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: LAX
Programs: JAL Mileage Bank, JMB Diamond, oneworld Emerald, Bonvoy Platinum
Posts: 17,148
Quoting from Wikipedia
JetBlue
"JetBlue Airways Corporation is an American low-cost airline"
"JetBlue started by following Southwest's approach of offering low-cost travel, but sought to distinguish itself by its amenities, such as in-flight entertainment, TV on every seat and Satellite radio. In Neeleman's words, JetBlue looks "to bring humanity back to air travel."
Compared to Tiger, with *Class, ability to rent video units/ipads, limited interlining, ability to earn QF points on some fares, I would put Jetstar in a similar class.
Aerlingus
Aer Lingus withdrew from the Oneworld airline alliance on 31 March 2007, explained to be due to Aer Lingus' repositioning as a low-cost carrier
JetBlue
"JetBlue Airways Corporation is an American low-cost airline"
"JetBlue started by following Southwest's approach of offering low-cost travel, but sought to distinguish itself by its amenities, such as in-flight entertainment, TV on every seat and Satellite radio. In Neeleman's words, JetBlue looks "to bring humanity back to air travel."
Compared to Tiger, with *Class, ability to rent video units/ipads, limited interlining, ability to earn QF points on some fares, I would put Jetstar in a similar class.
Aerlingus
Aer Lingus withdrew from the Oneworld airline alliance on 31 March 2007, explained to be due to Aer Lingus' repositioning as a low-cost carrier
#17
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Seattle
Programs: AS MVPG 75K
Posts: 2,574
Intra-Africa sucks from a *OWE* standpoint as you are logistically only able to visit one country in Africa unless you choose South Africa, which then allows MN to Zimbabwe/Zambia/Namibia/Mauritius.
Not really sure what carriers OW would look at for expansion though
Kenya Airways (KQ) would be a good choice but they're Skyteam.
Ethiopian (ET) is another good option, but they're set to join *A.
Air Nigeria (VK) is okay, not as good as KQ and ET, but it's alliance free. It was started as Virgin Nigeria but Virgin Group now has a minority stake in it (49%). Still does't seem that likely a choice.
@:-)I was excited at first to see that Eagle Air (H7) connects many BA destinations but then I noticed that they mostly fly 19 seater Turbolets (and that's as big as they go) and they even fly a 4 seater Cessna 206! Don't see this happening then...
Air Zimbabwe (UM) seems the best choice as a relatively large airline connecting many BA destinations.
The reality? I don't think there are any airlines in Africa that are both large enough and unaffiliated with Skyteam or *A. Royal Air Maroc or Tunisair might be nice...but they are in "Europe and the Middle East," so aren't really useful when it comes to the issue of *OWE*
Not really sure what carriers OW would look at for expansion though

Kenya Airways (KQ) would be a good choice but they're Skyteam.
Ethiopian (ET) is another good option, but they're set to join *A.
Air Nigeria (VK) is okay, not as good as KQ and ET, but it's alliance free. It was started as Virgin Nigeria but Virgin Group now has a minority stake in it (49%). Still does't seem that likely a choice.
@:-)I was excited at first to see that Eagle Air (H7) connects many BA destinations but then I noticed that they mostly fly 19 seater Turbolets (and that's as big as they go) and they even fly a 4 seater Cessna 206! Don't see this happening then...
Air Zimbabwe (UM) seems the best choice as a relatively large airline connecting many BA destinations.
The reality? I don't think there are any airlines in Africa that are both large enough and unaffiliated with Skyteam or *A. Royal Air Maroc or Tunisair might be nice...but they are in "Europe and the Middle East," so aren't really useful when it comes to the issue of *OWE*
#18



Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SYD
Programs: |QF LTG|DL Gold|
Posts: 1,784
#19
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Asia/Europe
Programs: CX, OZ, MU (+AY, DL), Shangri-La, Hilton
Posts: 7,233
Beijing - Shanghai
Beijing- Seoul
Shanghai - Seoul
At least one can still gather CX Asia Miles with several Chinese carriers but alas no status miles.
#21
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Downers Grove, IL
Programs: UA Mileage Plus, AA Advantage
Posts: 5,983
Retain LAN is the big priority in my view because if they get LAN, TAM will most likely come and to snag an airline like TAM in a very large growing economy in Brazil will be key for OW.
#22
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: PHX/SFO/LAX
Programs: AA-EXP (1.7MM), BA-Slvr, HH-Diamond
Posts: 7,784
Retaining LA is the the biggest priority for 2012. Losing LATAM combined with a potential lose of MX would spell disaster for OW in Latin America. What pisses me off is that AA/OW sat on the sidelines again when 30% of LA's shares where up for sale.
#23




Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Home Airports: CAE/CLT
Programs: Hyatt Globalist, National Executive
Posts: 5,460
There are gaps in the USA. Try to fly around the Southeast. DL and US have comprehensive hubs in ATL and CLT, respectivly while you can't get from say CHS to ATL without going through MIA or CAE to anywhere without going through DFW.
I would love to see US and the CLT hub come on-board.
I would love to see US and the CLT hub come on-board.
#24
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: BOS/UTH
Programs: AA LT PLT; QRPC PLT/OW EMD; Bonvoy LT Titanium
Posts: 14,574
Need service between Asia and S.E. US. CX could easily extend its new ORD service to MIA (also an OW hub), similar to the HKG/YVR/JFK service. There's apparently sufficient S.E. US demand to Asia to support widebody service ATL/ICN 9x/week on KE. Additionally (being completely selfish), BOS/HKG nonstop would be nice.
#25


Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: AA Lifetime PLT , BA Silver , BD RIP , HH Gold, SPG / Marriott PLT , EF Subscriber
Posts: 6,733
Need service between Asia and S.E. US. CX could easily extend its new ORD service to MIA (also an OW hub), similar to the HKG/YVR/JFK service. There's apparently sufficient S.E. US demand to Asia to support widebody service ATL/ICN 9x/week on KE. Additionally (being completely selfish), BOS/HKG nonstop would be nice. 

#26




Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX Green
Posts: 877
to solve the problem of not having Oneworld presense on these routes:
Beijing - Shanghai
Beijing- Seoul
Shanghai - Seoul
i think Oneworld can do this:
CX increase shares on CA -> persuade CA to switch to Oneworld (CX as sponsor) using shareholder's identity
Beijing - Shanghai
Beijing- Seoul
Shanghai - Seoul
i think Oneworld can do this:
CX increase shares on CA -> persuade CA to switch to Oneworld (CX as sponsor) using shareholder's identity
#27
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: BOS/UTH
Programs: AA LT PLT; QRPC PLT/OW EMD; Bonvoy LT Titanium
Posts: 14,574
Foreign Airlines are not allowed to operate Revenue Earning US Domestic flights YVR-JFK is International. Also you would have the added inconvenince of Immigration and Customs at Inital point of US arrival and as we all know this can be from 20 Mins to 2 Hours therefore totally impracticable for an Airline to schedule.
#28
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Downers Grove, IL
Programs: UA Mileage Plus, AA Advantage
Posts: 5,983
Agreed OW is WAY too conservative on this type of stuff. Though I think OW will get lucky and LAN will stay though this should have never happened if OW was smart. You would think the JAL less would have taught them something.
#29
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Asia/Europe
Programs: CX, OZ, MU (+AY, DL), Shangri-La, Hilton
Posts: 7,233
Dragonair codeshares on Air China flights within China and between China and Korea would be enough, if eligible for OW status miles.
#30
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: HKG, BOS
Programs: CX SL, AB Gold, AF/KL FB Silver, HU/HX Silver, SPG Gold
Posts: 2,596
It's the opposite way around. CA is majority shareholder in CX.

