xONEx and UK APD
Dec 14, 2010 | 7:58 am
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The connected flights must be detailed on the same ticket or conjunction tickets to qualify for the exemption. Tickets can only be regarded as conjunction tickets if:
a. they are in one booklet, or
b. where they are in separate booklets:
■each refers to the other and states that they are to be read in conjunction, or
■there is a summary of the flights constituting the passengers journey including the flights in question.
a. they are in one booklet, or
b. where they are in separate booklets:
■each refers to the other and states that they are to be read in conjunction, or
■there is a summary of the flights constituting the passengers journey including the flights in question.
Oh, and getting the refund from AA took 9 months.
Dec 14, 2010 | 9:50 am
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I'm a bit confused about the process and timing. You used the same TA for purchasing the xONEx ticket and the *A to/from London tickets....but I'm wondering whether your 9 month wait for the refund was in any way related to when the tickets were purchased. Could the TA have removed the APD from the xONEx fare if the *A tickets had been purchased at some other time? Do you think that if you had purchased the *A tickets directly from AA that they would have issued the xONEx APD refund more timely? TIA!
Dec 14, 2010 | 3:29 pm
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The tickets were not set up as Conjunction Tickets in any legal sense and not in one booklet. Here is the relevant legislation (bolding mine):
It is sufficient to have a TA issue one itinerary which includes the entire journey including the two tickets. So that the two tickets can be read in conjunction.
Oh, and getting the refund from AA took 9 months.
The connected flights must be detailed on the same ticket or conjunction tickets to qualify for the exemption. Tickets can only be regarded as conjunction tickets if:
a. they are in one booklet, or
b. where they are in separate booklets:
■each refers to the other and states that they are to be read in conjunction, or
■there is a summary of the flights constituting the passengers journey including the flights in question.
a. they are in one booklet, or
b. where they are in separate booklets:
■each refers to the other and states that they are to be read in conjunction, or
■there is a summary of the flights constituting the passengers journey including the flights in question.
It is sufficient to have a TA issue one itinerary which includes the entire journey including the two tickets. So that the two tickets can be read in conjunction.
Oh, and getting the refund from AA took 9 months.
c. where the tickets are purchased online, they are purchased at the same time through the same portal.
Although the flights may meet all the other criteria for determining whether two flights are connected, they will only qualify for the exemption if the connection is evidenced on the ticket or a flight summary.
Although the flights may meet all the other criteria for determining whether two flights are connected, they will only qualify for the exemption if the connection is evidenced on the ticket or a flight summary.
With APD it's the role of the carrier to advise (and pay) HM Revenue on a Monthly basis the total number of passengers carried, how many were exempt, the total numbers of each passenger in each band and the total APD paid. They do not need to detail each individual case.
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Dec 16, 2010 | 12:22 am
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I'm a bit confused about the process and timing. You used the same TA for purchasing the xONEx ticket and the *A to/from London tickets....but I'm wondering whether your 9 month wait for the refund was in any way related to when the tickets were purchased. Could the TA have removed the APD from the xONEx fare if the *A tickets had been purchased at some other time? Do you think that if you had purchased the *A tickets directly from AA that they would have issued the xONEx APD refund more timely? TIA!
You omitted the following from that except:
c. where the tickets are purchased online, they are purchased at the same time through the same portal.
Although the flights may meet all the other criteria for determining whether two flights are connected, they will only qualify for the exemption if the connection is evidenced on the ticket or a flight summary.
It seems AA decided they were effectively set up as Conjunction Ticket; whether the TA did or not.
With APD it's the role of the carrier to advise (and pay) HM Revenue on a Monthly basis the total number of passengers carried, how many were exempt, the total numbers of each passenger in each band and the total APD paid. They do not need to detail each individual case.
c. where the tickets are purchased online, they are purchased at the same time through the same portal.
Although the flights may meet all the other criteria for determining whether two flights are connected, they will only qualify for the exemption if the connection is evidenced on the ticket or a flight summary.
It seems AA decided they were effectively set up as Conjunction Ticket; whether the TA did or not.
With APD it's the role of the carrier to advise (and pay) HM Revenue on a Monthly basis the total number of passengers carried, how many were exempt, the total numbers of each passenger in each band and the total APD paid. They do not need to detail each individual case.
Post 5 talks about tickets being on one contract of carriage and to be setup as Conjuction Tickets as a technical process. In reality, this is not that difficult.
You can take two totally separate tickets and as long as you can produce one piece of paper which shows an itinerary with all flights on them then you will be able to get an APD refund. AA can't "decide" whether those tickets are Conjunction Tickets or not. They just have to follow the rules and they must refund the money as this is what the rule is for.
Also, you will not be able to get an upfront APD waiver normally as it is possible that you will not fly the flights from the second ticket. In this case the airline of the first ticket would need to pay APD. Therefore they will still charge you APD even when you show them the other ticket and only refund it once you can proof that you have actually flown the other segments. Of course they could decide not to pass on the APD to you but that wouldn't be a commercially sound decision given the risk.