Odds of an Australia trip 28 June 2020
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Just to put international tourism into perspective, it is AUD 45 billion out of total AUD 60 billion tourism market -- so 75% of $ is from international tourists. NZ tourists spent AUD 2.6 billion, so that "little bit more" is AUD 42 billion or about 2/3 ... so strong financial incentive to re-open tourism. USA was 3rd highest country in terms of number of tourists (after China and NZ).
Your comparison is incorrect. It's true that the GDP contribution of tourism as a total is A$60B (3.1% of GDP). But 2.1% of GDP is Domestic Tourism (42.9B), only 0.9% is International Tourism (17.9B).
Perhaps you got your A$45B from International tourist consumption 2017-18. That went up to $47B in 2018/2019. However domestic tourist consumption was $87B. So use the same method if you are going to compare numbers. Make sure if you are comparing tourism sectors, that all the numbers come from the same source. My sources are below.
Source: https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]?OpenDocument
See Table 2: https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subs...12.2019&Latest
Of those visitors, about 15% are from NZ and about 15% from China. About 9% each for US and UK.
Source: https://www.budgetdirect.com.au/trav...tatistics.html
Australia would much rather keep the virus out, and keep 99.1% of the domestic economy going, than risk everything they've sacrificed for now for an area that is only 0.9% of GDP. Especially if they can open up to NZ. NZ + Domestic tourism would be enough to keep the industry afloat, especially if more kiwis visit and Australians do more travel inside the country than usual.
Last edited by CPMaverick; May 5, 2020 at 12:59 am
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Even more perspective: Australians can't go overseas. Australian tourists overseas spend more than foreign tourists spend in Australia. It's not a tough gap to fill. We're already planning a few domestic holidays. And seriously, like really seriously, the costs of this pandemic ($250b and counting) and rolling lockdowns and stressed health systems and people dying unnecessarily dwarf what international tourists bring in. I don't see any incentive to open the borders for the foreseeable future.
Last edited by bensyd; May 5, 2020 at 5:49 am
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Even more perspective: Australians can't go overseas. Australian tourists overseas spend more than foreign tourists spend in Australia. It's not a tough gap to fill. We're already planning a few domestic holidays. And seriously, like really seriously, the costs of this pandemic ($250b and counting) and rolling lockdowns and stressed health systems and people dying unnecessarily dwarf what international tourists bring in. I don't see any incentive to open the borders for the foreseeable future.
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The key warning, if one must book now, is not to book non-refundable arrangements for air and ground. As air schedules settle down, schedules will become more firm and there will be less of a reason for carriers to cancel and thus generate refunds. As Covid waiver policies expire and are either not renewed or tightened, there is not even a guarantee of a credit if the flight operates and one is not on it.
At a minimum, having funds tied up is a bad thing because it means that alternatives may be out of reach.
At a minimum, having funds tied up is a bad thing because it means that alternatives may be out of reach.
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I'm in the same situation, bought that CDG-AKL *A J fare in March (€1k R/T, just before the 'corona storm') when the borders were not closed yet for a trip to AKL via PVG in July. I was hoping the situation would improve, but of course health is more important than travel. Now hoping at least one of my flights will be cancelled so that EC261 will kick in and that I can change my flight for free.
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Yep, that’s exactly my take. We’ve started to plan short trips to all the places in Aus which we’ve always said ‘we really should go to...’ and haven’t yet because we were holidaying overseas. Apart from my girlfriend maybe (very maybe) heading back to JB for Chinese New Year we expect our next international holiday will be Japan in October. 2021. There’s going to be a lot of short breaks to Tasmania, Adelaide hills, Margaret river and I think I’m finally going to get to Uluru. For someone that usually spends 6-9 months a year overseas that’s a lot of money that is going to be staying home.
If you visit Uluru, and you've got the time, drive. It's a great drive, you'll see non-tourist outback and it makes arriving to Uluru even more spectacular than just flying in.
Plus you like driving.
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For uluru we might split the difference, fly into alice and hire a car from there so we can also do kings canyon, olga's etc. I've done the drive out from Sydney to camerons corner and birdsville about 30 years ago camping on the side of the road and not sure I could do it again with the way speed limits and other rules are enforced these days.
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Johor Bahru, we usually go back for a week in JB/Singapore to see girlfriends family then spend another 1-2 weeks travelling around SE asia.
For uluru we might split the difference, fly into alice and hire a car from there so we can also do kings canyon, olga's etc. I've done the drive out from Sydney to camerons corner and birdsville about 30 years ago camping on the side of the road and not sure I could do it again with the way speed limits and other rules are enforced these days.
For uluru we might split the difference, fly into alice and hire a car from there so we can also do kings canyon, olga's etc. I've done the drive out from Sydney to camerons corner and birdsville about 30 years ago camping on the side of the road and not sure I could do it again with the way speed limits and other rules are enforced these days.