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Aug 12, 2006 | 10:09 pm
#151
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Originally Posted by yogimax
Released? Why? 
That's the crazy part of all of this. It's a joke.
As a flight crew member, it's drummed into our heads. SAFETY, SAFETY, SAFETY! THREATS, THREATS, THREATS. REPORT, REPORT, REPORT. Then they let them go. Drives us nuts too.
Aug 12, 2006 | 10:35 pm
#152
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Originally Posted by sany2
This is the transcript of what Dave Ross said:
[snip]
In retrospect, maybe he was being sarcastic. His voice certainly didn't sound sarcastic, but the more I think about it, what he said was ridiculous, so maybe it was sarcastic. Also, I looked him up and he ran for the House as a democrat, so he doesn't seem like he would support such things.
[snip]
In retrospect, maybe he was being sarcastic. His voice certainly didn't sound sarcastic, but the more I think about it, what he said was ridiculous, so maybe it was sarcastic. Also, I looked him up and he ran for the House as a democrat, so he doesn't seem like he would support such things.
Sometimes, the only way to show how absurd something is becoming is to play it straight.
Last edited by Seattlenerd; Aug 12, 2006 at 10:40 pm Reason: Added Seattlenerdette's interpretation
Aug 12, 2006 | 11:09 pm
#153
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Originally Posted by SchmutzigMSP
Peroxide also looks like water.
They could simply ask everyone to taste the water, or even just smell the open bottle like they do in China.
They could simply ask everyone to taste the water, or even just smell the open bottle like they do in China.
The problem with that is that I read that the terrorists were planning using sports drink containers with a false bottom, so that they could drink the drink on top and still have the explosive precursors on the bottom.
I'm not totally sure how this can be resolved unless the airports sell "secured water". However, one of the terrorists arrested worked at the airport, so I'm not even sure that will help.
Aug 13, 2006 | 1:25 am
#154
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Just received word that India is not going to allow liquids or gels on out bound flights. This includes crew members as well.
Nothing was mentioned about electronics.
Nothing was mentioned about electronics.
Aug 13, 2006 | 1:33 am
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Originally Posted by ChickenWing
The duty free restriction has been lifted on NW. You can by the booze and gels and such as long as you are on your final leg.
Being able to carry sealed duty free liquids and gels on a final destination leg is a step in the right direction.
Duty Free would go out of business if they couldn't sell liquor or make-up.
Hopefully with more talking to the TSA, the airlines can control some of this "kneejerk" reaction rules implemented by the TSA.
Aug 13, 2006 | 4:54 am
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Originally Posted by sany2
This is the transcript of what Dave Ross said:
"Explosive sports drinks. This is DR...
The latest details of the liquid bomb plot are a little disturbing. Apparently, this liquid explosive wasn't just being DISGUISED as a soft drink, one of the ingredients WAS the soft drink. The terrorists planned to use a British SPORTS DRINK as one of the ingredients. And they would set it off with an iPod, cell phone, or electronic key fob. Al Qaeda apparently has the seventh season of MacGyver.
So we've now gotten to the point where the common everyday items we all carry make us potential walking terrorists.
And there is going to be only one way to address that. Universal obedience, no matter how ridiculous it gets.
These colors don't run, but they will wait in line! And do so CHEERFULLY.
If the TSA wants my deodorant, they can have it. If they want my nail clippers, they can have them. If they want my knitting needles, collar stays, nose ring, compass, Q-tips, Pepto Bismol, take it all!
If they want me to strip and carry my clothes through the check point in a see through baggie while doing the Fox Trot, my only answer is Sir Yes Sir!
Although, I prefer not to call it a see-through baggie. I call it a Transparent Patriot Pouch!
And when I'm on the plane, if they run out of Bloody Mary Mix, if they give the last blanket to somebody else, if lunch turns out to be a bag of Fritos and a Kit Kat, I will smile and tell myself how delicious it is. And if we stop on the taxiway for no apparent reason and they turn off the ventilation and the person next to me starts to sweat because they took away his antiperspirant, I will use the time to meditate on patriotic themes like ... freedom.
"
In retrospect, maybe he was being sarcastic. His voice certainly didn't sound sarcastic, but the more I think about it, what he said was ridiculous, so maybe it was sarcastic. Also, I looked him up and he ran for the House as a democrat, so he doesn't seem like he would support such things.
"Explosive sports drinks. This is DR...
The latest details of the liquid bomb plot are a little disturbing. Apparently, this liquid explosive wasn't just being DISGUISED as a soft drink, one of the ingredients WAS the soft drink. The terrorists planned to use a British SPORTS DRINK as one of the ingredients. And they would set it off with an iPod, cell phone, or electronic key fob. Al Qaeda apparently has the seventh season of MacGyver.
So we've now gotten to the point where the common everyday items we all carry make us potential walking terrorists.
And there is going to be only one way to address that. Universal obedience, no matter how ridiculous it gets.
These colors don't run, but they will wait in line! And do so CHEERFULLY.
If the TSA wants my deodorant, they can have it. If they want my nail clippers, they can have them. If they want my knitting needles, collar stays, nose ring, compass, Q-tips, Pepto Bismol, take it all!
If they want me to strip and carry my clothes through the check point in a see through baggie while doing the Fox Trot, my only answer is Sir Yes Sir!
Although, I prefer not to call it a see-through baggie. I call it a Transparent Patriot Pouch!
And when I'm on the plane, if they run out of Bloody Mary Mix, if they give the last blanket to somebody else, if lunch turns out to be a bag of Fritos and a Kit Kat, I will smile and tell myself how delicious it is. And if we stop on the taxiway for no apparent reason and they turn off the ventilation and the person next to me starts to sweat because they took away his antiperspirant, I will use the time to meditate on patriotic themes like ... freedom.
"
In retrospect, maybe he was being sarcastic. His voice certainly didn't sound sarcastic, but the more I think about it, what he said was ridiculous, so maybe it was sarcastic. Also, I looked him up and he ran for the House as a democrat, so he doesn't seem like he would support such things.
Glad to find out it wasn't D.R. being serious]
Aug 13, 2006 | 5:11 am
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Originally Posted by NWAFA
You haven't heard about the new x-ray scanner that they want to use? No need to strip, it literally makes ones clothes disappear on the scanner and one appears naked. This isn't a joke. I saw the scanner results and was very embarassed not only for myself, but for the passenger.
http://physics.isu.edu/radinf/body.htm
These devices operate on a physical process called backscatter. Backscatter uses X-rays that reflect away ("scatter back") from the low-Z material (skin, clothing) but not most high-Z material (metal). Backscatter then makes "reflections" that define the high-Z materials as separate and distinct images from low Z.
I'll be sure to think obscene thoughts, just before going through...
The first time I was SSSS'ed after 9/11, I was wearing a t-shirt, jean shorts, deck shoes, no socks, and carrying nothing but a book (one way flight in Y, hence the search... drove down, flew back). I laughed the entire time. It hasn't gotten any better.
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Aug 13, 2006 | 5:33 am
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My question is about the flight crews they only have carry ons. So are they exempt form the liqued ban, IF so why? If they are not exempt will they start having checked bags, since they cannot carry any make up, toothpaste, shampoo, ETC.
Aug 13, 2006 | 7:27 am
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Originally Posted by troyintn
My question is about the flight crews they only have carry ons. So are they exempt form the liqued ban, IF so why? If they are not exempt will they start having checked bags, since they cannot carry any make up, toothpaste, shampoo, ETC.
Aug 13, 2006 | 7:37 am
#160
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Originally Posted by Seattlenerd
According to the FA who's a neighbor of mine, they can indeed continue to carry on makeup, etc. But, she said, until this all settles down a bit, they're also at the mercy of the TSA at checkpoints determining exactly what is excluded when they arrive at the airport.
Aug 13, 2006 | 7:55 am
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Originally Posted by sbagdon
These devices operate on a physical process called backscatter. Backscatter uses X-rays that reflect away ("scatter back") from the low-Z material (skin, clothing) but not most high-Z material (metal). Backscatter then makes "reflections" that define the high-Z materials as separate and distinct images from low Z.
Aug 13, 2006 | 8:52 am
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Originally Posted by mlbcard
Isn't that a little too much radiation exposure to be used routinely on everyone?
Aug 13, 2006 | 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by mlbcard
Isn't that a little too much radiation exposure to be used routinely on everyone?
Aug 13, 2006 | 9:50 am
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Originally Posted by PorkRind
Hardly. Backscatter technology exposure is 0.005 millirems per exam. The US Nuclear Regulatory Commission recognizes 100 millirems as the annual limit for all sources and practices, excluding medical and dental. You'd need to be scanned 10,000 times per year (20 tmies per day, 5 days a week every week) to approach one quarter of that 100 millirem limit.
A brief list of sample references:
http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/13/5/3
http://www.pparc.ac.uk/In/BBently.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
http://www.faa.gov/education_researc...logy/index.cfm
Aug 13, 2006 | 10:22 am
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Not security.
Originally Posted by SchmutzigMSP
They could simply ask everyone to taste the water, or even just smell the open bottle like they do in China.
A suicide bomber will take a swig of his bomb. You thing he's worried about it poisoning him? If the chemical is only medium toxic, taking a swig that might take 12 hours to poison will not deter a suicide bomber who only needs to have enought strength left in one hour to set off his bomb.
