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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 3:28 pm
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Mesaba Heading for Chapter 11

Just heard on NPR that Mesaba is on its way to Chapter 11 (I guess this should not be a big surprise, *if true*). Chapter 11 is going to be the way to re-regulate the airlines Out here in Western MI (aka the sticks) we need the puddle jumpers and, more important, Mesaba is a good little company that has always run a pretty tight ship.

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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 4:03 pm
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I wonder if Mesaba's bankrutcy has anything to do with the millions NW stiffed them out of when they filed Chapter 11
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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 4:59 pm
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Originally Posted by thomasrich
I wonder if Mesaba's bankrutcy has anything to do with the millions NW stiffed them out of when they filed Chapter 11
I would think that played an important role.
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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 5:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Himmelhund
Just heard on NPR that Mesaba is on its way to Chapter 11 (I guess this should not be a big surprise, *if true*). Chapter 11 is going to be the way to re-regulate the airlines Out here in Western MI (aka the sticks) we need the puddle jumpers and, more important, Mesaba is a good little company that has always run a pretty tight ship.

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The clock for filing under the current conditions is running out later this month. By this time next month, the terms will be worse. (Unfortunately, not everyone is as "wise" -- e.g., a lot of Hurricane Katrina-impacted companies and families are going to learn this the very hardest way in a year or two. ) Mesaba would be best advised to do this ASAP, if needed at all.
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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 5:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Himmelhund
Just heard on NPR that Mesaba is on its way to Chapter 11 (I guess this should not be a big surprise, *if true*). Chapter 11 is going to be the way to re-regulate the airlines Out here in Western MI (aka the sticks) we need the puddle jumpers and, more important, Mesaba is a good little company that has always run a pretty tight ship.

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Any bets that there are a whole wave of these in the next week, but not after 10/17?

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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 5:37 pm
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Originally Posted by BobH
Any bets that there are a whole wave of these in the next week, but not after 10/17?

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... and then a year or two later, we are going to see some major economic shocks/pain in some communities as one reasonable/practical option to restructure companies/lives goes out the window.
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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 7:37 pm
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Originally Posted by AApokes08
I would think that played an important role.
lack of payment from NW -> no payment to creditors -> bankrupt.

it makes their ability to repay pretty poor....
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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 7:54 pm
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Originally Posted by civicmon
lack of payment from NW -> no payment to creditors -> bankrupt.

it makes their ability to repay pretty poor....
NW better hope that Mesaba doesn't react in such a way that an Independence Air-type thing shows up in their near-captive markets.
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Old Oct 7, 2005 | 8:29 pm
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NW better hope that Mesaba doesn't react in such a way that an Independence Air-type thing shows up in their near-captive markets.
Heh yeah, that would be bad, huh? Thing is, that may not snap their partnership, but could strain it. Thing is, FlyI is doing VERY badly since they've had to basically develop a sales infrastructure, which Mesaba doesn't have at this point since NW sells all their tix.

They also had to market their fares MUCH below profitability just to get noticed..
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Old Oct 8, 2005 | 2:13 am
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Originally Posted by civicmon
They also had to market their fares MUCH below profitability just to get noticed..
Gee, and that is different than any other domestic carrier besides WN, B6, and FL how?
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Old Oct 8, 2005 | 11:18 am
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Gee, and that is different than any other domestic carrier besides WN, B6, and FL how?
NW, DL etc lower fares to compete with LCCs, FlyI bottomed their fares to ridiclously low prices in an era of high fuel prices to get noticed.

NW doesn't need to 'spread the word' as anyone who's been at an airport in the past 2 years heard of them. Not the case with FlyI.
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Old Oct 9, 2005 | 12:02 am
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Why is lowering your fares so low to "compete" that you end up bankrupt any better than charging fares low enough to gain market exposure? FWIW, DH figured out they couldn't make money on long haul, so they actually discontinued service to most western markets.
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