Read the thread -- it's already been posted. They have cashed in millions upon millions since May.

[QUOTE=exymer]Well if the MEDIA says it, it must be true, right? Kinda like all those WMD in Iraq? I have a better idea -- why don't you look at the actual contract?

http://www.amfanatl.org/Pages/10_Pub...A_Contract.pdf

Scroll to page 182 and look at the wage schedule. It's hardly outrageous for ensuring our safety.

Phil's experience on flying NW on 8/20
 

I was booked on NW for BWI-MSP-DTW-NRT-SIN on 8/20. I almost had a sleepless night on 8/19 concerning about the strike. At 5:30AM, I called NW and got the recorded message that strike was happening but NW was trying to fly full schedule and that my BWI-MSP flight was not affected.

My friend dropped me at BWI around 7:00AM; there was no sign of bad things happenning on NW counters. Check in was smooth and I decided not to check in any luggage.

Once entering the terminal, I saw a long line at gate D2 waiting for rebooking due to BWI-DTW 6:20AM flight was delayed. I was then chatting with the agent working on my flight . She seemd to be confident that everything will be sorted out. Later she made an annoucement that our flight was delayed a little bit due to the fact of crew resting. We pushed back on 9:00AM(5 minutes later than scheduled) and arrived at MSP a few minutes later. However, our gate F7 was still occupied by the previous flight then we waited about 30 minutes at the hanger, which left me a very tight connection time. Fortunately, the flight to DTW departed from F10 thus I did not dash. Obviously, I was the last passenger on board because both agents called my name when seeing me approach the gate.

Once boarding the aircraft, we were notified by the first officer that they were trying to replace a fire extinguisher before we left. This took about 40 minutes before we pushed back.

Upon arriving at DTW, again, our gate was still occupied by the previous flight; we waited about 15 minutes before the previous was removed. However, that aircraft stopped moving just after pushing back for unknown reason. We then got a new gate at A74.

When I left the plane, the time was already 3:20PM; I made a dash to A30 for my 3:30PM DTW-NRT flight. They were just ready to close the door when I got there; however, funny thing happened because the machine did not read my BP. Two of the four gate agents were confused because they could not see my name on this flight but I did have a BP for this flight. Finally a Japanese gate agent sorted things out and printed me a new BP (36C instead of 21C which was printed on the BP I got from BWI). Could anybody explain what is happening? (I was originally booked on a direct flight NW5 DTW-NRT-SIN; but later they changed it to NW11 DTW-NRT, NW5 NRT-SIN. This is the only reason I could think about). I was one of the last two passengers boarding this flight. My decision about bringing all my luggage with me proved to be smart at this moment. Flight was smooth to NRT. Upon arriving at NRT, I noticed that PDX, SEA and MSP flights were delayed mildly but JFK flight was delayed by more than 3 hours. My connection flight to SIN was very smooth and we arrived at SIN around 12:39AM.

One word----Not a bad job, NW!

Mods, please separate comments for and against mechanics from real time help for us!
 

The Strike is On thread is interesting, but it is very hard to find info that will help us.

Most of us are back in the air Monday and we need info on how the strike is impacting us without digging through pages and pages of support for, or *****ing about, the mechanics.

Thank you,

Mike

[QUOTE=LTRS]As someone else already wrote...overtime needs to be factored in. If the IRS considers it income, I do to.

I guess I missed the day in school where they showed irrefutable proof that there is a linear relationship between a mechanic's salary and the overall safety of the airline. If that's the case, how can you possibly have been justified in flying anyone but NWA, since NW has had the highest-paid mechanics for awhile now. I guess all the other airlines are unsafe. :rolleyes:

Thanks. happy to help. What I have learned so far.

I had cle-dtw-ewr tomorow. dtw-ewr canceled early this afternoon. called the nw elite line and got them to put me on co, cle-ewr.

+know what you want before you call can be helpful (ie check the schedule)

+know alternatives (if co or dl nonstops what you have a cnx on, for example cle-ewr, ord-atl, msp-ewr

+doing this yourself is going to be lots easier than hoping nw will do it for you.

real time help is probably hiding away you know where... :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=H2O_Goalie]What's your point? Is overtime a new concept for you, or do you just think hourly employees should work for free once they put in more than 40 hrs a week? We have laws about that, you know, so you can't blame unions for that one.

Overtime is not guaranteed and so there is no "avg" about it. It may be widely available at some of the larger hubs, but unless someone calls in sick I am doubting it's routinely available at places like GNV which has about 4 flights a day.

The bottom line is that most of you here don't have a clue what the avg mechanic or custodian takes home at the end of the year, yet you spout your opinions as if you were experts on the subject.

One can only hope that lots of NWA employees (and especially FAs, GAs, TAs) read this forum. It would surely open their eyes about the elitist F passengers they constantly attend to and provide service for. If it was me, I would be sorely tempted to accidently spill a few drinks in a few laps over the next serveral months.

As for why NW mechanics make more than others (once you factor in all the overtime) that might be because they have one of the oldest, largest, most diverse fleets of any carrier. That will result in use of more mechanics for more hours. That was management's decision, and it was not a decision that came without a cost. You're going to blame that on the mechanics too?

[QUOTE=LTRS]No, overtime is not a new concept for me, as I used to work a gig where I was paid overtime. Do you know how much overtime you'll get in a year? Of course not...although if you've worked the job for a couple of years you'll have a pretty good idea. Regardless, when you're talking about the average income of employees you include both base pay and overtime. Why? Because it's all income, regardless of whether it's base pay or overtime.

As for your suggestion that FAs, GAs, TAs, etc. "spill a few drinks"...that does nothing but highlight your lack of maturity and intelligence. The airline isn't in enough trouble to begin with...now they should alienate people that actually buy their product. :rolleyes: Dude, you're a genius.

LTS:

Please tell me EXACTLY, which NWA EXEC is making millions on OPTIONS!!!!!


Don't quote someone else. If you post it, you are responsible!

Edited to add:
Since you seem to just like to say anything that will support your views, I took the time to review NWA's 10k and 10Q SEC reports.

You stated that they "Cashed in millions upon millions since May. The highest price of the stock since May 1 has been $6.51. If you take the time to look at the NWA SEC filings you will find that NWA has never issued options with a strike price of less than $7.31 (most were $9+ or more).

Thus, unless you can, prove me wrong, I will need to assume everything else you have said is rubish, just like this statement.

Do a search. The entire list is in this thread. :)

[QUOTE=H2O_Goalie]Yeah, but you AREN'T talking about base pay and overtime -- the word overtime is never mentioned by any of this elitist crowd when they crow that mechanics "make $70K on the average." I have yet to see ONE single post that says "the mechanics work an avg of 55 hrs a week to make $70K a year." If NW management doesn't want to pay overtime they should hire more workers. Clearly they can hire them to union bust.

You object to the average highly schooled and skilled worker who keeps your bbutt alive on those plans with those skills making $25-$27 bucks an hour? You object to people cleaning up after you making $15-17 bucks an hour? Clearly the answer is that you do object to that. I'm sorry, that's not even a gray area for me -- that's just wrong.

Are you still around LTRS?
 

:D Geeesh LTRS.....
I thought you said " Bye Bye "....yesterday on Saturday - didn't you ???
Yet you are still around...posting right - left - and center - I really thought for sure you meant what you said...and by now you would be looking over the message board of that wonderful - employee conscious - profitable airline who will be the recipient of your new found love and loyalty!
:D Bye Bye!!

Yesterday, 9:30 am #319

LTRS
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Bye Bye NWA

And bye bye to my NW status, because I won't be able to make it this year. I won't cross a picket line. And frankly, shame on the NW FA's and pilots for doing so.

I've never said or written that I object to it. I don't. I have absolutely zero problem with someone making as much money as they possibly can. If they can get it. Which they can't, because others are willing to do it for less. "Back in the day" the mechanics were worth the money they negotiated...but economic conditions have changed, and there is now a pool of workers that can fill their jobs for less money. End of story. That's business, pure and simple. You can say it's bad business if you'd like...that doesn't change the fact that it's the way the world works. Denying reality doesn't make it any less real. As a business owner...which you say you are...I'm sure you've heard the term "free-market economy".

And I've yet to see you offer any proof that there is a linear relationship between the salary of a mechanic and the safety of an airline, as you asserted earlier. If you'd like to be taken as anything more than a fool, you really need to start backing up your ranting with some evidence.

I did a search. Its NOT THERE. Its irrelevant. YOU said it. I just want proof.
If YOU can't prove your statement, you owe the board an apology.
And by the way, please tell me how I can BUY stock for $7.31 and SELL it for $6.51 and make a profit??????