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Originally Posted by yogimax
As a matter of fact, I believe that NW's final offer would have increased the number of mechanics who would be retained while eliminating the overpaid cleaners/custodians.
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Originally Posted by bhatnasx
The weather is definitely a factor today. I was supposed to fly IAD-CVG-BOS-PWM on a mileage run today and my CVG-BOS flight which was supposed to depart CVG at 11.10, got delayed til 12.30 and then, during the boarding process, they cancelled the flight. I did a trip in vain & came back to IAD and will rebook for another date, but a lot of people are going to get screwed by the weather today.
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Originally Posted by cj001f
As roughly half the AMFA members at NW are those overpaid cleaners/custodians, do you really think they'd vote to eliminate their own jobs? You think they are that stupid?
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In the spirit of the title of this thread [It was "Lord, I'm Glad That's Over!" before the rest of the many strike threads were (thankfully) combined]...
Many of us, while looking for nuggets of actual information, have spent the last couple of weeks wading through other FTers' political opinions, mixed in with name calling, general rudeness, the objectifying of women and a touch of cultural stereotyping. It hasn't been fun. The strike is on, for better or worse. I applaud the mods' combining of several very political strike threads, and hope that those who insist on continuing with the politics will confine themselves to the "strike is on" and "bye bye, nwa" threads, and let the rest of us concentrate on helping each other with our personal NW/WorldPerks issues. Just my two cents. |
Gumbo in October?
Originally Posted by NOLAnwGOLD
according to the realtime airport info at MSY all NW flights are on time arriving and departing today.... flymsy.com
-Alan |
Originally Posted by SchmutzigMSP
Do you know what is required to work as even a basic line mechanic at a major airline? Basic hiring requirements are an A&P certificate which generally takes 2.5/3 years of schooling to complete along with the appropriate tuition for said training. That makes them qualified to understand every nut and bolt of the plane that takes you all over this great earth. It is this education that keeps you safe every time you step foot on an aircraft.
Cut out this BS elitest schooling crap. You may have been uninformed that mechanics have proper schooling just like you did, but most people are aware of this fact yet still choose to look down their noses at maintenance. All this said, I agree with posters that management should not be lining their pockets during this time. It would be consistent for them to take a pay cut as well. Perhaps a very large percentage of their pay in restricted equity would be appropriate, thus requiring strong performance to have much worth. |
Originally Posted by LTRS
I'm not really interested in helping US robber barrons of this era. I won't buy a car that is not made by US workers, but I have no loyalty to US robber barron corporations, so don't really care where the profits go so long as the employees get decent treatment. I also try to stay in union hotels when I travel. Not always possible, but I try.
Union busting drives down wages for all of us eventually. I'm not sure why I should spend my dollars to drive a knife into my own back in the long run. We can agree to disagree, but I think you are being short-sighted. You missed my point that many of the parts of your "union assembled" Acura are made in Japan which are not made by US workers. You are just as bad as people as the people you blame who shop at Wal-Mart. MY issue with Wal-Mart is not that it's non-union; thatthe majority of goods are from China and not from US companies. To me that hurts Americans more that the fact they aren't unionized. I am more concerned with America's manufacturing base; Wal-Mart is just service level jobs. The hollowing out of America's industrial sector is the bigger issue and I believe that unions have helped that decline because of the same attitude these NW machinists have. However, I can't blame people voting with their wallets and buying at Wal-Mart. They do have great prices, but I try to minimize my shopping there because of their primary source of goods being China and not the US. - HF |
Originally Posted by LTRS
Ask your union workers how they'd feel about you asking them to take pay cuts to make up for the fact that you stupidly decided to sell a product for less than it costs to provide it, while giving yourself a huge raises. I think your workers would tell YOU to F off. And rightly so.
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No Argument on 25% Cuts
Originally Posted by DHAST
What, because management threw the mechs a bum deal, those of us who sympathize with the mechs are union sympathizers? I'll be blunt and say that FT'ers throw the term "union" around way, way too much.
But, I think that the pill would be a little "easier to swallow" if I also found out at the same time that, lo and behold, all other workers at comprable companies doing the comprable job that I did were already at the 25% reduced pay rate. As an IT professional, I have been strapped by salary surveys of comprable jobs and companies for 19 years. Not only for myself, but for the managers who work for me and the people who report to them. It is, what it is. Union leadership, I think, recognizes this in part since they did offer a wage cut package to NW management. I think NW management has gotten bent over the axel on another issue -- the number of jobs to be retained vs. outsourced. Too bad that both sides were so far apart. Unfortunately for NW mechanics, I think they are in dire straights on this one and will most likely have to retool and redeploy themselves to other employers, probably for wages not too far from what NW was offering, and with no seniority. -Alan |
Originally Posted by Poopdeck90210
If NW folds, I will be sucking it up at the HHH terminal to fly Sun Country, or -- better yet -- to fly ATA (formerly value jet). Not a pretty picture... capiche?
-Alan |
ValuJet
Originally Posted by Traveller
AirTran was formerly ValuJet. ATA is a different airline.
-Alan |
The effects of a mechanics' strike are not necessarily immediately felt - the crap hits the fan when the A/B/C checks and AOGs begin to pile up over the next few days/weeks.
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Originally Posted by ellen4441
And the point is that these NWA guys really put their time in..........
and were probably promised pensions in their contracts... the American dream is supposed to be that you work hard for 30 or 40 years , then you get rewarded, not "punched out" of the time clock and deemed "nonessential" ! Most white collar employees don't get contracts that promise them squat. They don't get paid for overtime or double time for working a weekend. They do it because it's part of their job and if they want to advance that the work they have to do. Life sometimes kicks you in the teeth, but apparently if you are in a union you should be exempt. Boggles the mind. - HF |
Originally Posted by HobokenFlyer
You know this happens to a lot of white collar middle class middle tier employees out there and no one sheds a tear for them.
Most white collar employees don't get contracts that promise them squat. They don't get paid for overtime or double time for working a weekend. They do it because it's part of their job and if they want to advance that the work they have to do. Life sometimes kicks you in the teeth, but apparently if you are in a union you should be exempt. Boggles the mind. |
Originally Posted by Poopdeck90210
Great! I am flying to MSY with my family in October to go on a Carnival Cruise. Save some gumbo for me! :cool:
-Alan Don't worry about that...there is ALWAYS plenty o gumbo to be had...my vote for the best is Commanders Palace (also the best bread pudding which they make in the form of a soufflee). Granted their gumbo isn't that thick chuncky stuff....more refined flavors and not chuncky at all. Great place for lunch for the fam...best deal in town. ^ PS I could definately use a grey goose martini....baccarat_king will ya paypal me some too?? or can I have SchmutzigMSP's if he's not up for it??? :D |
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