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B Watson Jul 19, 2002 7:23 pm

flyrights - I am not sure if you have looked at this schedule option, but you could catch the evening MX tonight from LAX to MEX and make a connection to the morning Cubana flight to Havana - I think you might actually find somone who would agree with your comments.

Doppy Jul 19, 2002 9:30 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by flyrights:
Oh well... I think some people care... over 100 replies tells me people probably do care, and at least some probably KNOW in their greedy little hearts, that I'm right, that airlines SHOULD disclose EXACTLY what rights people are buying, but lack the courage to publically admit it... It's a rather simple and straightforward concept. Disclosure. We've seen corporate America's problems with LACK of disclosure in the stock market this week, haven't we...
Jim
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First off, in travel, no two situations are ever the same. Creating rules that must be followed in every situation about who gets to talk to whom in what order would just end up making the whole process take ten times as long, with a similar outcome.

Second, the number of people who don't realize and expect premium passengers to get premium service on the ground and in the air is probably such a small minority that it isn't even worth discussing. Go to ticketing. There's a separate line for coach, business and first class passengers. That explains it.

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flyrights Jul 19, 2002 10:12 pm

Doppy,
You have to recognize this board is for VERY FREQUENT FLYERS, savvy about getting things for nothing. That means it's in your interest to have classes where people are treated differently, even though it may be illegal for the airlines to commit fraud by not DISCLOSING what rights come with different kinds of tickets, (i.e., the right to have someone else bumped off a plane for your benefit). IF, this posting were on a board for say, BUDGET TRAVELERS, where you and those of a similar mindset, would be in the most miniscule minority, I suspect it would be more like 1,000 to 1 in favor of treating people fairly...that is NOT letting full fare ticket people push off CONFIRMED economy people. You have to remember this is a ONE-SIDED forum, for rich people who try, and get away with pushing others around.
Jim


bagold Jul 20, 2002 12:39 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by flyrights:
For example, I may have a CONCORDE award on British Airways, but have NO elite status. Am I all of the sudden LESS or MORE important than a consolidator economy PAID ticket? </font>
Sorry if you don't already know this but on Concorde that is only one class: Concorde. They do not have consolidated economy tickets and thus this situation will not occur!

bagold Jul 20, 2002 12:41 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by flyrights:
Oh well... I think some people care... over 100 replies tells me people probably do care, and at least some probably KNOW in their greedy little hearts, that I'm right, that airlines SHOULD disclose EXACTLY what rights people are buying, but lack the courage to publically admit it... It's a rather simple and straightforward concept. Disclosure. We've seen corporate America's problems with LACK of disclosure in the stock market this week, haven't we...
Jim
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I do believe that some people agree with you. But for the reason of the 100 post does not correlate to people caring unless you can show me how people posted replies that actually agreed with you.

Some thoughts here: 1) I think your title of the topic is misleading and I don't want people to think that OK does not really mean confirmed on BA because your title does not tell what really happened. 2) I understand your points and respect them but you never seem to understand anyone else's post or respect their opinion.

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bagold Jul 20, 2002 12:46 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by flyrights:
Doppy,
You have to recognize this board is for VERY FREQUENT FLYERS, savvy about getting things for nothing.
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Actually i don't believe that is the case. FT is also for non frequent flyers to ask questions and get answers from the more frequent flyers. I am not sure when you joined FT because you don't have a date which probably means you probably registered long time ago but from my experience there is a mixture of frequent and infrequent travelers on this board. It just so happens that the frequent flyers posts more. Don't go scaring the infrequent flyers away by saying this board is for the VERY frequent flyers!

flyrights Jul 20, 2002 1:00 am

BA GOLD,
Yes, I'm aware the Concorde doesn't have economy consolidator tickets... If you read a few dozen posts back, I was referring to a Concorde/First Award, L.A./NY/London/Singapore/Australia...
So if there is a flight irregulatary on the portion London/Singapore, and I'm on a FREE Concorde ticket, am I considered LOWER than a PAID economy ticket? None of us will ever know... I have no elite status with BA, but maybe an economy consolidator PAID ticketholder might... so who gets to go on the flight?
jim

SMessier Jul 20, 2002 2:01 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Ken hAAmer:

Having the right to step on people...</font>
Stepped on?! You were lucky. We used to live in a cardboard box.

We used to dream of living in a cardboard box! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

matthewuk Jul 20, 2002 2:57 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by SMessier:
We used to dream of living in a cardboard box! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif </font>
You were lucky! We lived for three months in a rolled-up newspaper in a septic tank! We used to have to get up every morning, at six o'clock and clean the newspaper, go to work down the mill, fourteen hours a day, week in, week out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home, our dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!

http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/movies/...were-poor.html

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ozstamps Jul 20, 2002 5:04 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by matthewuk:

You were lucky! We lived for three months in a rolled-up newspaper in a septic tank! We used to have to get up every morning, at six o'clock and clean the newspaper, go to work down the mill, fourteen hours a day, week in, week out, for sixpence a week, and when we got home, our dad would thrash us to sleep with his belt!</font>
LOOXURY.

We used to envy you lucky middle class folks. We lived in a cold, smelly, soggy Big Mac container that was blown around on I-94 and run over by Kenworth Trucks several times each hour. I had 17 brothers and sisters.

6am? LOOXURY. We used to arise at 3am, walk uphill 40 miles in the rain and fog to have our single cup of cold water, and then pick stinging nettles bare handed without break until midnight. We were paid $2 a ton for these, and that funded the evening cup of porridge enough for 10 of us. We drew straws to see who would eat that night.


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matthewuk Jul 20, 2002 5:32 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ozstamps:
We were paid $2 a ton for these, and that funded the evening cup of porridge for 10 of us. We drew straws.


http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

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Porridge? Luxury.....Aren't you just the epicure

All we got to eat was one of Continental's salads. And that was BEFORE they were recently enhanced


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satish_ny Jul 20, 2002 5:35 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by flyrights:
BA GOLD,
Yes, I'm aware the Concorde doesn't have economy consolidator tickets... If you read a few dozen posts back, I was referring to a Concorde/First Award, L.A./NY/London/Singapore/Australia...
So if there is a flight irregulatary on the portion London/Singapore, and I'm on a FREE Concorde ticket, am I considered LOWER than a PAID economy ticket? None of us will ever know... I have no elite status with BA, but maybe an economy consolidator PAID ticketholder might... so who gets to go on the flight?
jim
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If there was an irregularity on the London/Singapore portion of your travel, the fact that you have a Concorde ticket will not matter. This will matter for your transatlantic segment. What will matter is your status from London to Singapore. If this is in First Class, you will be higher than paid business in my opinion, but lower than paid first.

flyrights Jul 20, 2002 8:11 am

Satish, the question is, how does someone rate on a London/Singapore irregularity flight, who has a First/Concorde AWARD ticket, with NO BA elite status, versus someone who has a PAID economy ticket, who may or may not have BA elite status?
Jim
PS: i liked the comment about the pre-enhanced Continental salad...that was funny!

I was so poor I had to walk 3 miles to school every morning, carrying a French Horn...IN THE SNOW...

ozstamps Jul 20, 2002 8:25 am

Last month the Concorde JFK-LHR had a hydraulic problem and could not take off. Pax were offered sub-sonic F if they wanted it.

Those who really wanted Concorde were put up in Hotel overnight at BA expense. AND were given a free RT Concorde ticket for future use, irrespective of WHAT kind of ticket they held - QF award, BA Award, paid Full fare, discount QEII deal etc. How do I know? Do not ask, but it is true. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

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~ Glen ~

flyrights Jul 20, 2002 9:20 am

A very touching story, Ozstamps, but the question is about what happens when there AREN'T enough seats for everyone on the next available flight... THEN who gets to go?
The compensation BA offered seems reasonable but consider if the hydrolic problem happened on say a 747, BA would have taken care of the full fare and/or elite level passengers, by putting them on the first flights out, and they would have discriminated against the economy and/or non-elite people, by making them wait in the airport, and giving a coupon for the cafeteria... Remember, NOT disclosing that your economy/non-elite ticket comes with LESS rights equals FRAUD to me.
Jim


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