Hurry up: Order a transfer of CO miles to HHonors & prove to HHonors that you've done so in order to claim awards at old point prices which expire May 31. The slowpokes who do the transfer take a month or 2 unless you bounce via Amtrak Rewards (max. 25K miles http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif)

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Play the travel game 3 vacations into the future!

bump!

MazdaMP why are you bumping a thread that you have not contributed to where the last post was May 06?

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Bazz
Still Flying

[This message has been edited by Bazz (edited Nov 25, 2003).]

Just read this thread for the first time - just one thing to think about:

The thread starter keeps saying that he feels bad for other people and how it pains him that he might have harmed other people.

Trust me - that guy is NOT a lawyer http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif.

Going by your handle, you should know. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

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Bazz
Still Flying

because the semi-same thread popped up...
and you bumped it last...oooopps http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

I'll just throw in my 2 cents...Ive been flying around accumulating miles on US for a while, but never redeemed them...a few months ago I made my first redemption in the form of a transatlantic ticket for a friend of mine who lives in England to come over and visit, and this raised no red flags whatsoever...despite it being my first redemption and being ticketed to a person who doesnt live on the same continent as me and isnt related to me (for sake of name similiarity) at all...

N674UW

It may help that your English friend is flying to your hometown. It's easy to figure/assume that you're bringing him/her over to visit you http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif.

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Play the travel game 3 vacations into the future!

Not necessarly true. I purchased a mileage ticket for a friend, flying her from Zurich to Los Angeles. I live in Florida. No questions asked.

Bet Delta just loves this guy:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...&category=1306

[quote}Bet Delta just loves this guy:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...&category=1306
[/quote]

And by not making it a private auction, Delta can now identify the buyer and seller. Not smart.

And by not making it a private auction, Delta can now identify the buyer and seller. Not smart.[/QUOTE]

and he's got a new auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2207985818

I apologize for the delay in posting, however, let me refer SPN to another provision of law which makes the sale of frequent flyer mileage illegal; California Business and Professions Code, 17500 which declares as follows:

"It is unlawful for any person, firm, corporation or association, or any employee thereof with intent directly or indirectly to dispose of real or personal property...or to induce the public to enter into any obligation relating thereto, to make or disseminate or cause to be made or disseminated before the public in [or from] this state...in any newspaper or other publication, or any advertising device, or...in any other manner or means whatever, including over the Internet, any statement, concerning that real or personal property or...concerning any circumstance or matter of fact connected with the proposed performance or disposition thereof, which is untrue or misleading, and which is known, or which by the exercise of reasonable care should be known, to be untrue or misleading...Any violation of the provisions of this section is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county
jail not exceeding six months, or by a fine not exceeding two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500), or by both that imprisonment and fine."

Therefore when one makes an offer to sell or barter frequent flyer miles [as opposed to airline tickets secured with frequent flyer miles] which he/she knows or should know to be impermissible [thus meaning the offer to sell or barter is untrue or misleading because it implies the seller will be able to convey legal title], either to a California resident or from California [for your information, eBay is located in Campbell, California and its T&Cs specifically incorporate California law into ALL auctions regardless of the residence of sellers or purchasers], a crime has been committed.

Thus if someone purchases frequent flyer mileage from another who has made his/her offer to sell in California [such as on eBay]; or he/she is a California resident who purchases frequent flyer mileage from someone located somewhere else; the sale is as a result of some type of advertisement where the seller knows or should know the sale is impermissible; and that seller has not affirmatively disclosed he/she/it will not be able to transfer legal title to those miles because the airline involved does not allow it; the transaction IS unlawful.

We had another recent thread on this Board where the poster purportedly sold frequent flyer miles to a ticket broker who later sold them to a third party. The third party's ticket was confiscated by the airline; the third party made claim against the ticket broker [which presumably was honored]; and then the broker threatened legal action against the original seller. In that thread I suggested to the poster that if in California, the broker would not be able to use the court system for restitution.

Being an illegal contract, hopefully we now all see that at least in California, the broker has no legal remedy.

So like many things in life, although we as frequent flyers may be able to get away with selling or bartering our frequent flyer miles, that fact neither makes it legally permissible [according to the airlines] nor lawful [according to California].

Hope this helps.




[This message has been edited by smarten (edited Dec 07, 2003).]

Several very large companies in Japan buy miles and use them to upgrade their clients into business class on trans-Pacific flights. The airline used does not seem to mind since the company gives them a large amount of business. This same airline would have major problems if it was an individual trying to do this.

So it looks like as long as he makes note of the fact that buying/selling miles is against the airline rules it would be legal under that California statute.

QL