SMessier. I did not say anything to TG about when I booked to Europe. I changed dates to shoehorn the TG trip in.

Again, your comment below, and assertions of "defrauding" are completely erroneous and misleading and malicious and I again ask you edit them all out.

... but I thought it wasn't you ?!

No, I said this:

IT'S NOT ALWAYS ME... This time it was.

Really? If you read a bit more about TG then you'll see that their top tiers are almost always upgraded for free even when there is plenty of space in their assigned cabin.

I beg to differ! As I have posted in UA forum, I have PAID F flights planned on TG (also have flown PAID F flights as can be viewed in Trip Reports) and from what I understand, so does Ozstamps. [quote]<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">[b]

Ok, maybe I was incorrect in mentioning a butcher since Down Under butchers sell sausages that are pre-made by various manufacturers (apart from their own ones, of course). But if I had a pile of bratwurst or knackwurst which was about to go off then I'd rather give it away for free than simply dump it in a garbage bin and then pay for it to be taken away by the garbage collectors.

Since planes will have to fly regardless how many pax they have on board then it might be a good idea to try to accommodate those few who believe that they can affor to fly in F-class.

BTW, it is nice to see that you have posted a comment to my posting since you chose to ignore my personal e-mail to you a while back about an AA matter! FWIW, your non-reply tipped me into leaving AA for UA which is a MUCH friendlier forum without flame-wars to the extent of AA forum.

Who knows? Maybe we can co-exist in the same world?

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See the word "suspect"? It is just his opinion. It does not purport to be a statement of fact.

Your claim that this fare is valid booking -- now that is what I would call misleading. You are not a stupid man and I know that you know that this a fare error.

FewMiles..

I must say that is pretty poor form if 1000s went out.

I never got one as I advised, so must have deleted myself somehow, but would have appreciated the heads up. MatthewClement kindly tipped me off just as he posted it.

Had Thai stuck with these a LOT of folks would owe you both MUCHO CERVEJAS

Hey, I got one, but I only check that account every couple of days. (Kind of defeats the purpose of "alert" doesn't it?)

Many belated thanks though. It woulda been fun.

Well, for the record, I knew this 'fare' was an error from the beginning (does anyone seriously believe TG wanted to give away 9 months of free F tix LHR-BKK?) and I have absolutely no intentions holding TG to ransom.

I am, however, having drinks with a group of City solicitors tonight and, since this intrigues me, I'll bring this fiasco up tonight when conversation gets boring.

I'll let you know their views tomorrow.

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Be careful LondonElite!

My thoughts are with you...

Point conceded, but there is still a difference between a top tier customer getting courtesy upgrades and someone showing up having paid no fare getting access to the same thing.

I still maintain that people who "get away with it once" are liable to try it again. In this case it's getting a fare error and then coercing (perhaps that is too strong a word) the airline to honour it.

I have see the same thing with students cheating and plagiarising. It pisses me off to see that because it's just not fair.

Now given that you have flown paid full-fare F on TG (this must have cost thousands of $), how would you feel if the rest of the F cabin had been filled with people chirping about how they had gotten their F tix basically for free (as opposed to having the F cabin partially empty)? Wouldn't you feel like you got ripped off?

But knowing that you couldn't sell so much, would you have bough so many pre-made sausages from the manufacturers in the first place? You likely wouldn't, hence my point that you the butcher has an easier time reducing excess supply than does the airline in reducing excess capacity when the demand is not there.

If you did, in the end, have lots of leftover sausages, I think you could donate them to a homeless shelter or something similar?

So accomodate those who pay $0? I'm not sure what you're saying here.

I did? Sorry about that. I assure you it was not intentional - I honestly might have missed it (read it, procrastinated at replying, then it slipped through the cracks).

However, when the tone you use is meant to somehow blame me or say that I am the cause of you leaving the AA forum, then your "FWIW" is worth nothing.

Why should I give a hoot if you are going to be rude like this? I am honestly sorry that I did not reply to your e-mail, but I am not sorry if you wish to depart AA in such a non-friendly manner.

For sure!

FewMiles..

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Hell no. Sounds like every UA widebody ride I have ever been on. Packed full. 'Paid First' passengers on United? You are kidding right?

You can't contract to buy a ticket for £0 because of the absence of valuable consideration, in England (and, I'd assume, all countries with common-law contract).

Not at all! Good for them if this was the case. If there is someone smarter than me in outsmarting the airlines then good for them! After all, I am getting my food, my booze and my decent sleep, so why would I feel like I got ripped off? After all, I could have chosen to fly Qantas in coach for just about the same money...

If someone wants to fly F and even tries to book in this class then let them have it. An averge Joe Blow wouldn't even attempt to book in F, so there is no real risk of getting pax who are occasional tourists and thus disloyal to an airline. A person trying to book in F indicates that s/he has the capacity to fly in the searced fare class.

Ok, I'll take your word for it (out of the respect of all that you have done for FT) but it was pretty hard to miss as it had "Spider from FT" in the subject...

I am totally confused. To me, FWIW, is just a phrase. I do not know what you make out of it. I have no second thoughts when I use this phrase.

I am rude? How about giving me some slack for cultural differences? Americanese is not my native tongue... I departed AA after You and Plato90S jumped on me like a ton of bricks. At least he had the decency to reply, even though the reply was rather unpleasant and offensive.

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For sure!

I sure hope so since I am taking your word about not receiving my e-mail or forgetting about it.

BTW, diesel SUV's seem to be of mutual interest to us, right?

Common Law aside, I think you can hold someone to honor their advertised prices. There's got to be some sort of consumer protection law covering this. I also believe that this matter falls under the jurisdiction of the State of California, at least for California residents who made the reservation. Thai Airways International is registered with the California Secretary of State.

Now, I'm not rabid about this but I am going to push it a little, as a learning experience for me.

Edited to add that I'm going to try to find one advantage to my state's anti-business climate.

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I just got off the phone with a travel agent friend - (I use to be one and remember many of the tricks). IF your reservation still exists on the Thai website there is a slim chance that you can still get the ticket honoured. What you need to do is get a TA that has claiming rights for Thai Airlines. Unfortunately none in Canada do as they really don't fly here.

A TA in the UK might. That TA can claim the itin from Thai, pull it into their own system and issue a paper ticket. If anyone has a friendly TA outside of Canada they could try this with, it might work. A TA in Thailand should definitely work.

BTW - if anyone has success, let me know as I still have a valid reservation.

Oh yeah, how do I get on this fare alert email list?