Tax Payment Bonus Thread
#241
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Originally Posted by itsme
... I believe that the IRS did entertain the idea of taxing miles earned through business travel and kept for personal use, but backed off in the face of loud protests. Miles by paying a business' taxes or other expenses with a credit card is somewhat different from miles gained through business flying, but I don't see why the disposition of the miles earned with the credit card through spending should make a difference from the IRS's perspective if it doesn't when the miles come from flying. (Yes, I can talk myself into this! Now, can I convince my accountant?)
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-irbs/irb02-10.pdf
The bottom line is that although one could reasonably argue that miles earned on business trips are a form of wages paid to employees, the IRS has decided that it would be impractical to treat them as income. Thus, the miles come to the business traveller free of tax liability, even if later used for personal travel.
For the reasons discussed above, the IRS appears to agree that the convenience fee for tax payments is a deductible business expense to the extent that such payments relate to the tax liability of the business. I would interpret that to include the portion of one's 1040 balance due or estimated tax payments that relates to a trade or business (e.g., Schedule C).
To the extent the payment covers personal, non-business tax liability, the convenience fee is not deductible: "The IRS does not receive or charge any fees for payments. Additionally, the IRS cannot pay or reimburse any convenience fee to taxpayers. The fee is a non-deductible personal expense; however, it is a deductible business expense."
http://www.irs.gov/efile/article/0,,id=101316,00.html
If anyone relies on the above, and you end up owing the IRS a bunch of money, I'll refund everything you paid me for this analysis.
#242
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Originally Posted by dhuey
You're probably thinking of this position the IRS took with respect to miles earned on business travel but used for personal trips.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-irbs/irb02-10.pdf
The bottom line is that although one could reasonably argue that miles earned on business trips are a form of wages paid to employees, the IRS has decided that it would be impractical to treat them as income. Thus, the miles come to the business traveller free of tax liability, even if later used for personal travel.
For the reasons discussed above, the IRS appears to agree that the convenience fee for tax payments is a deductible business expense to the extent that such payments relate to the tax liability of the business. I would interpret that to include the portion of one's 1040 balance due or estimated tax payments that relates to a trade or business (e.g., Schedule C).
To the extent the payment covers personal, non-business tax liability, the convenience fee is not deductible: "The IRS does not receive or charge any fees for payments. Additionally, the IRS cannot pay or reimburse any convenience fee to taxpayers. The fee is a non-deductible personal expense; however, it is a deductible business expense."
http://www.irs.gov/efile/article/0,,id=101316,00.html
If anyone relies on the above, and you end up owing the IRS a bunch of money, I'll refund everything you paid me for this analysis.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-irbs/irb02-10.pdf
The bottom line is that although one could reasonably argue that miles earned on business trips are a form of wages paid to employees, the IRS has decided that it would be impractical to treat them as income. Thus, the miles come to the business traveller free of tax liability, even if later used for personal travel.
For the reasons discussed above, the IRS appears to agree that the convenience fee for tax payments is a deductible business expense to the extent that such payments relate to the tax liability of the business. I would interpret that to include the portion of one's 1040 balance due or estimated tax payments that relates to a trade or business (e.g., Schedule C).
To the extent the payment covers personal, non-business tax liability, the convenience fee is not deductible: "The IRS does not receive or charge any fees for payments. Additionally, the IRS cannot pay or reimburse any convenience fee to taxpayers. The fee is a non-deductible personal expense; however, it is a deductible business expense."
http://www.irs.gov/efile/article/0,,id=101316,00.html
If anyone relies on the above, and you end up owing the IRS a bunch of money, I'll refund everything you paid me for this analysis.
While the fees are not deductible with "personal" payments, the miles come no strings attached. When the fees are deductible because the payments are for "business" taxes, are the miles that come with those transactions without any strings attached too, so they can be used however one wishes, including for vacation travel? I expect the latter miles are also without strings because why should they be any different from redeemable miles earned through business travel and other uses of the credit card to pay business expenses, but that doesn't seem quite so certain to me.
If one owns a business that makes substantial tax payments, then they may have the opportunity to buy a substantial number of miles at as little as .75 cpm net after taxes, a damn good price. But do ask your accountant.
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Did AAdvantage MC Offer Double Miles?
I spoke to Citicards yesterday to ask for an extension of the double mileage offer from April for the payment of taxes through officialpayments.com.
They told me that there was never an offer of double miles.
They asked me to produce any proof of such an offer and implied that if I can, they will extend it.
Any idea of what's going on here?
Was there an AAdvantage Master Card double mileage offer?
If so, can anyone get me proof?
Many thanks!
They told me that there was never an offer of double miles.
They asked me to produce any proof of such an offer and implied that if I can, they will extend it.
Any idea of what's going on here?
Was there an AAdvantage Master Card double mileage offer?
If so, can anyone get me proof?
Many thanks!
#245




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Originally Posted by Landing Gear
I spoke to Citicards yesterday to ask for an extension of the double mileage offer from April for the payment of taxes through officialpayments.com.
Was there an AAdvantage Master Card double mileage offer?
If so, can anyone get me proof?
Was there an AAdvantage Master Card double mileage offer?
If so, can anyone get me proof?
Since it was my first time using my AA Mastercard, I had assumed the double miles were specifically from the tax payment. Now it seems that all my miles are being double, although I have no idea why. I don't remember signing up for any specific promos, and no one else has mentioned it in the AA forum.
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Originally Posted by alanstar
I was the one who received double miles on my AA card for my tax payment. HOWEVER - I recently got this month's statement posted, and I had double miles on that one as well!
Since it was my first time using my AA Mastercard, I had assumed the double miles were specifically from the tax payment. Now it seems that all my miles are being double, although I have no idea why. I don't remember signing up for any specific promos, and no one else has mentioned it in the AA forum.
Since it was my first time using my AA Mastercard, I had assumed the double miles were specifically from the tax payment. Now it seems that all my miles are being double, although I have no idea why. I don't remember signing up for any specific promos, and no one else has mentioned it in the AA forum.
You are indeed one lucky guy.
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Originally Posted by Landing Gear
I spoke to Citicards yesterday to ask for an extension of the double mileage offer from April for the payment of taxes through officialpayments.com.
They told me that there was never an offer of double miles.
They asked me to produce any proof of such an offer and implied that if I can, they will extend it.
Any idea of what's going on here?
Was there an AAdvantage Master Card double mileage offer?
If so, can anyone get me proof?
Many thanks!
They told me that there was never an offer of double miles.
They asked me to produce any proof of such an offer and implied that if I can, they will extend it.
Any idea of what's going on here?
Was there an AAdvantage Master Card double mileage offer?
If so, can anyone get me proof?
Many thanks!
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Last edited by ExitRowAisle; Jun 7, 2006 at 4:05 pm
#248
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Regarding the Delta business AmEx card:
You have successfully enrolled. You can earn double miles on all eligible purchases from June 1 - August 31, 2006. So be sure to use your Card for all of your purchases.
To learn more about other great offers, visit www.americanexpress.com/deltaoffers.
Thank you for your continued Cardmembership.
The fine print indicates a maximum bonus through this offer of 20,000 miles. So, if you have the DL Amex business card, this can give you 2x miles for your upcoming estimated tax payment (or any other charges).
You have successfully enrolled. You can earn double miles on all eligible purchases from June 1 - August 31, 2006. So be sure to use your Card for all of your purchases.
To learn more about other great offers, visit www.americanexpress.com/deltaoffers.
Thank you for your continued Cardmembership.
The fine print indicates a maximum bonus through this offer of 20,000 miles. So, if you have the DL Amex business card, this can give you 2x miles for your upcoming estimated tax payment (or any other charges).
#249
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Has anyone received their double miles bonus from tax payments on their Starwood AmEx?? I have not received mine yet, and we paid our taxes on April 15th.
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Originally Posted by blase
Has anyone received their double miles bonus from tax payments on their Starwood AmEx?? I have not received mine yet, and we paid our taxes on April 15th.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=563080
Mine haven't posted yet either.
#251
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no problems paying taxes with UA Visa, right?
I think it a good deal to get UA miles at 1.245 cpm, but not at 2.49 cpm. I think I got all that I was due from my use of the card for that purpose back in April, including the extra measure of EQM for going for >$35K. No one has had any problem with this, that is not gotten all the RDM they were entitled to, have they? I am about to do it again for 6/15/06 tax payments. (Was this "double miles" for tax payment deal with the UA Visa around in previous years?)
Also, any definitive answer to the AA miles with Citibank question? Was there never an offer of bonus AA miles for paying taxes with the Citibank card, in particular double miles for a 1.99% "convenience fee"? That was just misinformation? (I don't have that card or collect AA miles, but did think about looking into this possibility, if indeed it ever was a possibility.)
And will someone please shout out when they see bonus miles post to their SPG accounts.
Also, any definitive answer to the AA miles with Citibank question? Was there never an offer of bonus AA miles for paying taxes with the Citibank card, in particular double miles for a 1.99% "convenience fee"? That was just misinformation? (I don't have that card or collect AA miles, but did think about looking into this possibility, if indeed it ever was a possibility.)
And will someone please shout out when they see bonus miles post to their SPG accounts.
#252
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Originally Posted by biggestbopper
Just saw an offer from Citibank Aadvantage MasterCard offering a reduced "convenience" fee of 1.99% on FEDERAL tax payments (reduced from the "standard" (wonder who set the "standard") fee of 2.49%. Valid to April 17, 2006 for payments made through www.officialpayments.com/caoffer.jsp. User must be primary cardholder or authorized user (darn it, I wanted to pay my taxes with someone else's card). Offer doesn't say you have to have received the offer, i.e., apparently not targeted.
Personally, I wonder about the value of paying 2% extra in taxes just to get some miles. I guess a month or so of float is worth something, maybe, to be generous, 0.3%.
I try to maintain a rule to pay nothing extra to get miles.
Personally, I wonder about the value of paying 2% extra in taxes just to get some miles. I guess a month or so of float is worth something, maybe, to be generous, 0.3%.
I try to maintain a rule to pay nothing extra to get miles.
#253
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Originally Posted by blase
Has anyone received their double miles bonus from tax payments on their Starwood AmEx?? I have not received mine yet, and we paid our taxes on April 15th.
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I just made a payment because I needed a quick 2000 points to top off a hotel award, at 2 points/$.
Yeah, yeah, I know all about poor ratios and all that, but I needed the points quickly and it costs a lot less than a couple of hotel stays.
Yeah, yeah, I know all about poor ratios and all that, but I needed the points quickly and it costs a lot less than a couple of hotel stays.
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Originally Posted by BigLar
I just made a payment because I needed a quick 2000 points to top off a hotel award, at 2 points/$.
Yeah, yeah, I know all about poor ratios and all that, but I needed the points quickly and it costs a lot less than a couple of hotel stays.
Yeah, yeah, I know all about poor ratios and all that, but I needed the points quickly and it costs a lot less than a couple of hotel stays.

