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Eastbay1K Feb 15, 2006 11:06 pm

Tax Payment Bonus Thread
 
It might be helpful to have the 2006 promotions all in one place. (I charge enough taxes in a year to, with double miles, end up with a few free trips, so programs I don't even normally care about would be of interest if the deal is good enough).

United MP Visa - Double miles, with no limit, for all of 2006.

(Haven't yet heard from Starwood, which last year had a 5K limit, and time limit).

Please list mileage bonus (such as "double"), any cap on miles, any time limit (i.e., April 15, or all year), and any cap on earning for non-elite of an airline/hotel card.

acf573 Feb 15, 2006 11:48 pm

SPG is up:
https://www.pay1040.com/Terms_Starwood.aspx
Basically same as last year.

ANDREWCX Feb 16, 2006 3:23 am

Delta as well. See: http://www.andrewcram.com/tax.html

DCBob Feb 16, 2006 5:02 am


Originally Posted by acf573
SPG is up:
https://www.pay1040.com/Terms_Starwood.aspx
Basically same as last year.

Even if you have a refund for 2005, you can make an estimated tax payment for 2006 (whether you need to or not). This can really pay off:

Example: Charge $5,000 and pay a fee of $124.50. Receive 10,000 SPG points, which can buy 1 night at the Sheraton Park Lane in London. Cheapest rate at the Park Lane is around 149 pounds = $260.

Net gain = $135.50, or more than a 50% discount on the room.

itsme Feb 16, 2006 8:12 am

no kickers to this, are there?
 

Originally Posted by DCBob
Even if you have a refund for 2005, you can make an estimated tax payment for 2006 (whether you need to or not). This can really pay off:

Example: Charge $5,000 and pay a fee of $124.50. Receive 10,000 SPG points, which can buy 1 night at the Sheraton Park Lane in London. Cheapest rate at the Park Lane is around 149 pounds = $260.

Net gain = $135.50, or more than a 50% discount on the room.

Does the processing fee fold in, so that one would wind up with a total of 10,124 SPG points (or 10,249?) for paying $5K in taxes with the card? Are such payments treated like a purchase of goods rather than something like a cash advance, starting an immediate accrual of additional interest charges? (I am interested in doing this, but want to be sure there are no kickers, only the upfront fee for charging the tax payment to the card.) One gets the usual one-month or so float on the money?

Dynastar Feb 16, 2006 9:12 am


Originally Posted by DCBob
Even if you have a refund for 2005, you can make an estimated tax payment for 2006 (whether you need to or not). This can really pay off:

Example: Charge $5,000 and pay a fee of $124.50. Receive 10,000 SPG points, which can buy 1 night at the Sheraton Park Lane in London. Cheapest rate at the Park Lane is around 149 pounds = $260.

Net gain = $135.50, or more than a 50% discount on the room.

Except, assuming you don't need to make an estimated payment, you are losing out on a year's interest on that $5,000. Lots of banks paying 4.25% out there, so the lost interest is 5000*.0425=$212.50. $212.50+$124.50=$337>$260.

(Ignoring taxes, and assuming interest rates stay at 4.25% for the rest of the year.)

the_traveler Feb 16, 2006 9:51 am


Originally Posted by itsme
Are such payments treated like a purchase of goods rather than something like a cash advance, starting an immediate accrual of additional interest charges? (I am interested in doing this, but want to be sure there are no kickers, only the upfront fee for charging the tax payment to the card.) One gets the usual one-month or so float on the money?

The payments are treated as "purchases", not "cash advances", so you still have the float! :D

psyflyer Feb 16, 2006 12:29 pm


Originally Posted by itsme
Does the processing fee fold in, so that one would wind up with a total of 10,124 SPG points (or 10,249?) for paying $5K in taxes with the card? Are such payments treated like a purchase of goods rather than something like a cash advance, starting an immediate accrual of additional interest charges? (I am interested in doing this, but want to be sure there are no kickers, only the upfront fee for charging the tax payment to the card.) One gets the usual one-month or so float on the money?


Don't know y'all but I have to pay 100+k ... does it make sense to use the CC and pay an extra 3.5k in fees for dam points?? Uncle Sam did it again...

CPRich Feb 16, 2006 1:14 pm


Originally Posted by Dynastar
Except, assuming you don't need to make an estimated payment, you are losing out on a year's interest on that $5,000. Lots of banks paying 4.25% out there, so the lost interest is 5000*.0425=$212.50. $212.50+$124.50=$337>$260.

(Ignoring taxes, and assuming interest rates stay at 4.25% for the rest of the year.)

"Ignoring taxes" is convenient, but since it would consume 28-35% of the interest, not vary fair while doing the comparison

$337 less 35% taxes (Fed and State, maybe higher) = $220 < $260


SVO has a current offer for bonus points to sign up for the SPG card, on top of the normal bonus and waving the first year's fee. With over $5K due, it may just be worth the transaction.

zlc Feb 16, 2006 3:28 pm

Losing a year's worth of interest doesn't make a whole lot of sense, even with you best case scenerio, you are talking about $0.03+ for a point/mile. However, if one can make an estimated tax payment right now for 2005, then wait a month to file the return and getting the refund back, then no losing of interest, and cost of $0.012 per point may not be a bad deal.

dhuey Feb 16, 2006 5:11 pm


Originally Posted by zlc
...and cost of $0.012 per point may not be a bad deal.

I've crunched the numbers on the double miles deals, and I usually end up with 1.2 or 1.3 cents per mile as the cost, after considering everything. I recently used 140k DL miles to fly F on Singapore Air, and believe me, it was well worth $1,820.

itsme Feb 16, 2006 6:53 pm


Originally Posted by psyflyer
Don't know y'all but I have to pay 100+k ... does it make sense to use the CC and pay an extra 3.5k in fees for dam points?? Uncle Sam did it again...

How do you figure "an extra 3.5k"? I thought the fees worked out to just a bit more than 2.5% (2.6?), which wouldn't be very appealing were it not for the double miles. And I believe the double miles deal is out there for payment of any taxes, personal or business, estimated or annual.

pinniped Feb 16, 2006 7:41 pm

I always end up owing The Man about $4,000-6,000 on April 15th. Double Starpoints...that's a no-brainer! ^

Eastbay1K Feb 16, 2006 9:15 pm


Originally Posted by psyflyer
Don't know y'all but I have to pay 100+k ... does it make sense to use the CC and pay an extra 3.5k in fees for dam points?? Uncle Sam did it again...

Well, that was my exact 2005 scenario. I figured it was worth it for 2 int'l F tickets to Europe (with UA double miles)

highgamma Feb 16, 2006 9:33 pm


Originally Posted by zlc
Losing a year's worth of interest doesn't make a whole lot of sense, even with you best case scenerio, you are talking about $0.03+ for a point/mile. However, if one can make an estimated tax payment right now for 2005, then wait a month to file the return and getting the refund back, then no losing of interest, and cost of $0.012 per point may not be a bad deal.

You have complete control over your W-4. You can start taking out less in taxes now and make the estimated payment at any time during the year. As long as you meet the appropriate test (and you must be careful), you can always get your miles without any lost interest.


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