Brian

If you would like an answer, Trojan Horse, put your email in your profile and I will be happy to send you one.

If you wish to remain anonymous, please keep your ignorance to yourself. Thank you.

TrojanHorse

The reason I don't put an email in my profile is that when I get a bonus credit from an airline or hotel and make a posting ,I don't want that airline or hotel to track me down.
For example the Delta thread that a FT user got credit for a flight that was not taken, he/she was worried that DL would track him/her down through the email.

Moving along to a response.. I was making a statement based on postings I have read from what appear to be overweight passengers and from what you hear on the radio, tv, and read in magazines and newspapers.. . It seems that obese people don't take the blame for being overweight, its something else, its never them... I could add to the list but I'm sure you get the picture. So as far as keeping ignorance to myself.. save it for yourself and look in a mirror if you are one of those people i am talking about

TrojanHorse

PS, I notice you don't put an email in your profile either... so put up or shut up

Brian

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Your turn. I am so tired of this thread, and the ignorance that pervades it.

(Email address deleted to end the pornographic website registration confirmations I started getting 60 minutes after posting it)

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wharvey

Hey Gang,

Can I suggest that we allow this post to close out this thread.

I believe we have long passed any information of value here... and are only burrowing into personal attacks.

So, please let this be the last posting on this thread.

William

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rmccamy

Pshuang: I'm with ya...I would definitely pay a 20% premium for a 2-side config on a 727/37/57. Only problem is that the premium would have to be closer to 50% for the airline to make the same money they would with today's config. Essentially, we're asking for a 3-class service (in some form or another) on a skinny jet. Although I've heard some European carriers have this, the US carriers have obviously decided that this isn't as profitable.

Kremmen

You! ... Shame I didn't sign on to this board sooner, or I would have used my real name. ... But you took it first!

As for your question, it was on radio news, so I don't have anything physical or online to refer to.

MoreMiles

You reall have to experience at least once to make an objective judgement.

Close your eyes, imagine a 400 lb person sitting next to you, with arm rest up as there is NO space to put it down.

His body is in direct contact to yours, through cloting from shoulder down to calf. You feel his body temperature constantly as he is sweating. You feel that your shirt sleeve is starting to soak and there is no way to escape it. You stand up, walk around, sit back down. The same thing happens almost immediately when you sit down.

You try to squeeze yourself into tightly volume. The flight is 10 hour long, and it's only be 30 minutes after the take-off.

This happened. So if you have never experienced something like this, do not pretend obesity will not bother you. It does!

No discrimation but just practical points.

If a child takes no space does not require airfare... and this is NOT discrimiation, then an obese person paying for two is NOT either.

Brian

Many overweight people feel deep shame at their circumstance, and anyone reading through some of these posts will find it easy to see why. As a group, we are villified and insulted for being sharing the same faults as many of the most loudmouthed posters here... that of being human, and therefore flawed.

Myself, I always measured the compassion of a person by their willingness to put up with just a bit to lessen the burden of the people around them. I suppose that everyone has the right to never be discomfitted by a large seatmate, or a bad smelling one, or one with kids, or any of a million other reasons. But if enforcing those rights truly hurts and demeans someone else, how can you wake up in the morning and look at yourself in the mirror?

I have several times in this thread spoken insultingly of the people here that expressed intolerance and childishness. Wrong of me, of course. I apologize. But many overweight people, crushed already by an overwhelming shame over something they barely understand, let alone have the ability to control, are hurt in ways you can't imagine whne you single them out for this kind of hurtful treatment.

I have said it before, and I will say it again... I would rather sit with a person who is overweight, than sit with some of the examples of so-called adulthood as typified in this thread. A larger person on an airplane is usually compassionate, kind, and will do everything they can to minimize the discomfort of those around them.

Some topics transcend airplane ettiquette, and mark who you are as a man or a woman. This is one of them.

Brian

By the way, I am proud that the preceding was my 250th post, and marked my own ascension to evangelist. In more ways than one.

ozstamps

C'mon Trojan Horse, you just had one thread locked down so please keep it cool today. As dgolds says below re the locked thread, two antagonisits without a valid email address showing makes it hard (and we have above) to have these issues sorted by requests from others, or by each others taking it off board. Why not get a Yahoo or Hotmail address for FT if you want to stay 'anonymous'?

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum97/HTML/000303.html

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wideman

Thanks, Brian.