Elite Status Without Flying or Staying
#136
Join Date: Jun 2004
Programs: united airlines
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For $549 (which seems like a lot of money), NW is offering Silver status for six months, plus some other travel and lifestyle benefits, from membership in its "White Tie" club. www.whitetie.com/nwa.html .
#137
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 7
I have an idea... Why don't you all earn it by flying the actual miles. I find it sad and discomforting that i'm sitting up in first class with someone who got their elite status by paying a few hunderd dollars or saying at some hotels w/o actually EARNING it. I hope the airlines will move away from this practice and leave the first class seats to the folks who deserve first class seats, the ones who actually pay for them or fly the level of miles/segments to accrue elite status. In fact, I'm glad to see some airlines removing first class seats -- gives the folks who don't fly much less chance to sit up front.
#138




Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 8
"(5) UA and AA allow one member meeting a status mile threshold to confer elite status upon another member -- 75 K and 125K for one lower-tier (Premier/Gold) designee. For NW, 1200 Platinum Points (Y travel & above) for one Silver, 2400 for one Gold. For Qantas, 2100 status credits for one Gold. For Lufthansa, HON Circle status (600K over 2 years) for one mid-tier Senator. For Virgin Atlantic, each Gold member can designate one adult Silver member at the same address."
Can someone please explain how this works? Where do you go/call to confer elite staus on another member. Does this have to be done as soon as a new level is reached? Thanks
Can someone please explain how this works? Where do you go/call to confer elite staus on another member. Does this have to be done as soon as a new level is reached? Thanks
#139

Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,905
I have an idea... Why don't you all earn it by flying the actual miles. I find it sad and discomforting that i'm sitting up in first class with someone who got their elite status by paying a few hunderd dollars or saying at some hotels w/o actually EARNING it. I hope the airlines will move away from this practice and leave the first class seats to the folks who deserve first class seats, the ones who actually pay for them or fly the level of miles/segments to accrue elite status. In fact, I'm glad to see some airlines removing first class seats -- gives the folks who don't fly much less chance to sit up front.
#140
Moderator, Hilton Honors



Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: on a short leash
Programs: some
Posts: 71,445
(5) UA and AA allow one member meeting a status mile threshold to confer elite status upon another member -- 75 K and 125K for one lower-tier (Premier/Gold) designee. For NW, 1200 Platinum Points (Y travel & above) for one Silver, 2400 for one Gold. For Qantas, 2100 status credits for one Gold. For Lufthansa, HON Circle status (600K over 2 years) for one mid-tier Senator. For Virgin Atlantic, each Gold member can designate one adult Silver member at the same address.
#141
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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Generally you get a form (paper or online) to fill in, at time of (re)qualification. You can also contact the relevant elite line by phone etc to arrange. No time limit in my experience (being able to confer status on 3 different programs), although a delay won't lead to that status being extended - so there is no advantage to delaying (ignoring personal circumstances like wanting to avoid giving to someone you are in the middle of divorcing).
#142
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA
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I have an idea... Why don't you all earn it by flying the actual miles. I find it sad and discomforting that i'm sitting up in first class with someone who got their elite status by paying a few hunderd dollars or saying at some hotels w/o actually EARNING it. I hope the airlines will move away from this practice and leave the first class seats to the folks who deserve first class seats, the ones who actually pay for them or fly the level of miles/segments to accrue elite status. In fact, I'm glad to see some airlines removing first class seats -- gives the folks who don't fly much less chance to sit up front.
IMHO, there's a big difference between offering initial (first level) elite status, and offering it recurrently.
Most of the deals I'm familar with only work one time per airline or at most once every few years per airline (status matching, AA's Challenges, NW's purchase of Silver for 6 months mentioned just above your post, etc).
With the exception of UA (where you can buy Economy Plus access independent of elite status), the problem I have with your approach is that, as a tall person, that would mean I'd have to fly 25000 miles cramped in seats in which I don't fit, by which time I'll be so sick of the airline that I'll never stick around to get elite, all because I can't temperarily get elite access to preferred seats (like exit rows) which I could if they offered me temporary elite status (during which I'd rush to requalify). (AA's Challenge is a little different, but it doesn't require anywhere near 25000 miles, so a mileage upgrade or two can resolve that, by just starting to collect AA miles before you go for becoming elite. Or, in my case, I got their during their brief encounter with More Seats Throughout Coach!
)Furthermore, what's the big difference between sitting up front with someone who paid for elite status versus sitting up front with someone who paid for a discount First Class (or Business Class, whichever "up front' is on your plane) seat? The NW buy-in mentioned above costs more than one "up front" paid for at sale prices! Isn't it the person who paid full-fare First who should be resentful of an elite sitting up there who earned elite by flying but only by flying mileage runs on which the airline lost money???
#143




Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 8
Generally you get a form (paper or online) to fill in, at time of (re)qualification. You can also contact the relevant elite line by phone etc to arrange. No time limit in my experience (being able to confer status on 3 different programs), although a delay won't lead to that status being extended - so there is no advantage to delaying (ignoring personal circumstances like wanting to avoid giving to someone you are in the middle of divorcing).
#144




Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Canberra, ACT, Australia
Programs: QP Life, AA Nothing, QF Bronze
Posts: 946
I find it sad and discomforting that i'm sitting up in first class with someone who got their elite status by paying a few hunderd dollars or saying at some hotels w/o actually EARNING it. I hope the airlines will move away from this practice and leave the first class seats to the folks who deserve first class seats, the ones who actually pay for them or fly the level of miles/segments to accrue elite status.
Guess what? We don't get to make up the rules. If the airline says a person deserves to be in First Class, then the person deserves to be in First Class. If the airline says the person deserves status, then the person deserves status.
Airlines aren't charities; they have business reasons for their decisions (maybe not good ones, but again, that's not for us to decide).
#145

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: BRU
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#146
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Argentina
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I have an idea... Why don't you all earn it by flying the actual miles. I find it sad and discomforting that i'm sitting up in first class with someone who got their elite status by paying a few hunderd dollars or saying at some hotels w/o actually EARNING it. I hope the airlines will move away from this practice and leave the first class seats to the folks who deserve first class seats, the ones who actually pay for them or fly the level of miles/segments to accrue elite status. In fact, I'm glad to see some airlines removing first class seats -- gives the folks who don't fly much less chance to sit up front.
If Y is full with spare seats up front and there are standby pax waiting to get on and willing to pay big money, the airline shall upgrade from Y depending on status to get a bum on an otherwise empty seat.
#147
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I have an idea... Why don't you all earn it by flying the actual miles. I find it sad and discomforting that i'm sitting up in first class with someone who got their elite status by paying a few hunderd dollars or saying at some hotels w/o actually EARNING it. I hope the airlines will move away from this practice and leave the first class seats to the folks who deserve first class seats, the ones who actually pay for them or fly the level of miles/segments to accrue elite status. In fact, I'm glad to see some airlines removing first class seats -- gives the folks who don't fly much less chance to sit up front.
When it comes to this sort of thing, whether it's elite status on an airline, getting a number for the Boston Marathon or anything else, people tend to think that their method of "deserving" it is fair but all the others are a bit underhanded. 'Tain't so. Sorry.
#148
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#149

Join Date: Sep 2005
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#150
Join Date: May 2005
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