xfer to CO or BA
Jun 6, 11, 10:56 am
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xfer to CO or BA
...I'm torn about transferring amex mr's to CO vs BA. Before the 50% bonus offer for BA popped up I was going to stick it all into CO (since CO is leaving the amex mr transfer program in September). Obviously now I'm torn...the 50% bonus is huge, but CO option is going away September 30th.
Historically CO has been amazing on award tickets for me. I've never not found business class availability even on short notice. With the UA merger I hear grumblings that the CO award availability will go down the tubes...apparently UA does lots of blocking on partner awards. I can still use ANA & AC transfers to get into *alliance in the future...its just that CO has been so good to me in the past.
So what would you do, ignore the BA transfer offer and cram as many miles into CO as possible...half & half...all BA? On a side note, I pull in about 300K in MR's a month so I could still probably get 600K into CO before transfer window closes on September 30th while putting all points available up to July 31st into BA. I could always just ignore the BA/CO transfers and keep my MR points. In the past I've kept the points @ AMEX until I was ready to redeem but all these transfer bonuses really make it tempting to "maximize" the point values.
feedback/thoughts would be greatly appreciated...
Historically CO has been amazing on award tickets for me. I've never not found business class availability even on short notice. With the UA merger I hear grumblings that the CO award availability will go down the tubes...apparently UA does lots of blocking on partner awards. I can still use ANA & AC transfers to get into *alliance in the future...its just that CO has been so good to me in the past.
So what would you do, ignore the BA transfer offer and cram as many miles into CO as possible...half & half...all BA? On a side note, I pull in about 300K in MR's a month so I could still probably get 600K into CO before transfer window closes on September 30th while putting all points available up to July 31st into BA. I could always just ignore the BA/CO transfers and keep my MR points. In the past I've kept the points @ AMEX until I was ready to redeem but all these transfer bonuses really make it tempting to "maximize" the point values.
feedback/thoughts would be greatly appreciated...
Jun 6, 11, 11:20 am
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What routes would you redeem for? In what class of service? Are en-route stopovers important to you? Are you willing to pay high fuel surcharges in connection with your award redemptions?
What routes would you redeem for? In what class of service? Are en-route stopovers important to you? Are you willing to pay high fuel surcharges in connection with your award redemptions?
Jun 6, 11, 1:38 pm
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I'd be redeeming for routes all over the world...so no specific airline alliance to side with.
...I guess the question just boils down to...Is the merged CO/UA ff program going to be as good as the old CO program. If UA's partner redemption blocking becomes a part of the combined programs, CO miles will become significantly less useful.
...I guess the question just boils down to...Is the merged CO/UA ff program going to be as good as the old CO program. If UA's partner redemption blocking becomes a part of the combined programs, CO miles will become significantly less useful.
Jun 6, 11, 1:50 pm
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In this case I think BA is better, for the bonus and they dont charge the .06 transfer fee on BA points like they do on CO....sounds like you have enough spend to still get CO topped off after the BA bonus disappears. With MR points, always go with the best bonus, if you can make use of the program.
I too have noticed how much crappier UA is compared to CO in availability of awards...I am trying to figure out how much I need to cap off FF accounts at even numbers for expected award flights...like BA 100k will get me 1 first class on [email protected] to Hawaii and a 25k AA lower 48 award. any extra points in BA program would probably be wasted.
Since AA now charges fuel surcharges to Europe like BA does, I may just save their points for hotels and car rentals.
Combined UA/CO points are around 128k for me and 101k for the wife, so we will top hers off to get enough for Europe, up front, and hope the new UA system after the merge has better availability.
DL points are the most active for us, since we are in ATL and have many choices. we have enough for Europe, as well as the many non-stops available to the Carribbean. We dont think much about topping points off for the future, since we use DL the most.
I like the options for cash and points that make use of leftover amounts and the programs that allow OW bookings.
We are closing our MR gold cards instead of paying the $175 fee and using the DL Amex instead...for the same annual fee (or less) we get MQM bonuses, free bags, and pay with miles options. More useful perks (to us)than the MR cards.
MR's best perk was versatility in points exchange, Cap1 beats MR for travel redemptions and versatility, so with all the Cap1 points we have, MR isn't needed anymore.
I too have noticed how much crappier UA is compared to CO in availability of awards...I am trying to figure out how much I need to cap off FF accounts at even numbers for expected award flights...like BA 100k will get me 1 first class on [email protected] to Hawaii and a 25k AA lower 48 award. any extra points in BA program would probably be wasted.
Since AA now charges fuel surcharges to Europe like BA does, I may just save their points for hotels and car rentals.
Combined UA/CO points are around 128k for me and 101k for the wife, so we will top hers off to get enough for Europe, up front, and hope the new UA system after the merge has better availability.
DL points are the most active for us, since we are in ATL and have many choices. we have enough for Europe, as well as the many non-stops available to the Carribbean. We dont think much about topping points off for the future, since we use DL the most.
I like the options for cash and points that make use of leftover amounts and the programs that allow OW bookings.
We are closing our MR gold cards instead of paying the $175 fee and using the DL Amex instead...for the same annual fee (or less) we get MQM bonuses, free bags, and pay with miles options. More useful perks (to us)than the MR cards.
MR's best perk was versatility in points exchange, Cap1 beats MR for travel redemptions and versatility, so with all the Cap1 points we have, MR isn't needed anymore.
Jun 6, 11, 2:02 pm
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BB: I've got the same dilemma at a much lower level. BA has gotten me 1st on CX a couple times without much work involved. If you fly BA you've got those stupid fuel surcharges though. United is fairly stingy, but if I pay the $25 to talk to 'em and am flexible, they've usually found me something in the front. IIWY I'd hedge my bets. Me - I think it's all going to BA since I'm usually flying the Pacific and am starting to get use to those CX pods in 1st. wj
Jun 6, 11, 2:21 pm
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Originally Posted by whackyjacky
BB: I've got the same dilemma at a much lower level. BA has gotten me 1st on CX a couple times without much work involved. If you fly BA you've got those stupid fuel surcharges though. United is fairly stingy, but if I pay the $25 to talk to 'em and am flexible, they've usually found me something in the front. IIWY I'd hedge my bets. Me - I think it's all going to BA since I'm usually flying the Pacific and am starting to get use to those CX pods in 1st. wj
Jun 6, 11, 3:04 pm
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from what I noticed you pay 125K miles of BA compared to 105K miles on CO. So CO miles to me are about 25% more valuable than BA.
My suggestion is never to hold all the eggs in one basked. I'd easily split them up. It's much better to have another option (another alliance) to check for flights when your main one is sold out.
My suggestion is never to hold all the eggs in one basked. I'd easily split them up. It's much better to have another option (another alliance) to check for flights when your main one is sold out.
Jun 6, 11, 3:33 pm
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"BA 100k will get me 1 first class on [email protected] to Hawaii and a 25k AA lower 48 award. any extra points in BA program would probably be wasted.
Since AA now charges fuel surcharges to Europe like BA does, I may just save their points for hotels and car rentals."
BA charges 105K miles, not 75K miles, for a roundtrip ticket in First between Hawaii and the mainland.
And AFAIK, when you redeem AAdvantage miles for flights on AA metal, there are no fuel surcharges, even when you fly on routes where AA has incorporated a fuel surcharge on its cash fares.
"BA 100k will get me 1 first class on [email protected] to Hawaii and a 25k AA lower 48 award. any extra points in BA program would probably be wasted.
Since AA now charges fuel surcharges to Europe like BA does, I may just save their points for hotels and car rentals."
BA charges 105K miles, not 75K miles, for a roundtrip ticket in First between Hawaii and the mainland.
And AFAIK, when you redeem AAdvantage miles for flights on AA metal, there are no fuel surcharges, even when you fly on routes where AA has incorporated a fuel surcharge on its cash fares.
Jun 6, 11, 4:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Igor718
from what I noticed you pay 125K miles of BA compared to 105K miles on CO. So CO miles to me are about 25% more valuable than BA.
My suggestion is never to hold all the eggs in one basked. I'd easily split them up. It's much better to have another option (another alliance) to check for flights when your main one is sold out.
My suggestion is never to hold all the eggs in one basked. I'd easily split them up. It's much better to have another option (another alliance) to check for flights when your main one is sold out.
Another point with OP's scenario is, he can generate 600K MR pts before Sept deadline to transfer to CO if he chooses to - he is not the type who relies on sign up bonuses to gain good size balances in FF programs. In light of this, he would have far more CO miles than the average posters on this forum. There is certainly no worry about putting his eggs all in one basket - when he generates a very large sum of MR every month, to the tune of 300K a month...
Jun 6, 11, 5:37 pm
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putting everything into BA for now
While my initial intention was to move a million+ points into CO, based on everyone's feedback I'm going to move all my then available MR into BA before the July 31st bonus runs out...its going to take me years to use 2 million miles on oneworld/BA even on F awards, but then again I've never seen a 50% bonus on an transfer from amex...
On September 29th...I'll make the call on moving MR to CO, even if its only half a million miles, it should still be good for 4-5 international F awards. We should have a better idea on which way the wind is blowing by then in terms of the merged CO/UA FF program and whether its even worth moving points into it.
On September 29th...I'll make the call on moving MR to CO, even if its only half a million miles, it should still be good for 4-5 international F awards. We should have a better idea on which way the wind is blowing by then in terms of the merged CO/UA FF program and whether its even worth moving points into it.
Jun 6, 11, 5:56 pm
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Originally Posted by bubu-SNA
While my initial intention was to move a million+ points into CO, based on everyone's feedback I'm going to move all my then available MR into BA before the July 31st bonus runs out...its going to take me years to use 2 million miles on oneworld/BA even on F awards, but then again I've never seen a 50% bonus on an transfer from amex...
On September 29th...I'll make the call on moving MR to CO, even if its only half a million miles, it should still be good for 4-5 international F awards. We should have a better idea on which way the wind is blowing by then in terms of the merged CO/UA FF program and whether its even worth moving points into it.
On September 29th...I'll make the call on moving MR to CO, even if its only half a million miles, it should still be good for 4-5 international F awards. We should have a better idea on which way the wind is blowing by then in terms of the merged CO/UA FF program and whether its even worth moving points into it.
If you know your travel will be domestic US, South America and/or Asia, BA is great !
And BA does charge fuel surcharges on AA metal to Europe.
Jun 6, 11, 6:59 pm
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Originally Posted by wise2u
In this case I think BA is better, for the bonus and they dont charge the .06 transfer fee on BA points like they do on CO....
Originally Posted by prodrive555
Can anyone venture a guess if there will be a transfer bonus offered before the September deadline for Amex -> CO? Or even Amex -> UA before the end of the calendar year?
Jun 6, 11, 11:24 pm
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BA Fuel surcharge (aka YQ fees) on partners?
Originally Posted by sbm12
I'd much rather pay the max $99 to transfer the points out than pay the BA YQ fees.
Does that mean BA flights have the additional high YQ surcharge but redeeming for partner flights DO NOT? How about redeeming BA miles for Cathay Pacific (CX) flights?
