SkyTeam Flyer

You could go to Marrakech, Yerervan or basically any European city served by AF.
Even KEF,with FI from CDG or CPH.

SQPPS

Any luck with Almaty?

jms_uk

It seems that routes with widebodies are not possible?

SQPPS

su operates a 737 there.

ubiest

I have gotten many Russian visas, not especially cumbersome, and with the EU-Russia agreement, only 35 EUR at any consulate. Another advantage is that fewer people can go off on a whim to Russia, so it is often quite laid back except for the peak tourist seasons in Moscow and Piter.

And the list of places that have been listed here as "exotic" such as Irkutsk or Bishkek, let alone Moscow are places that have both cultural and natural beauty (and other kinds of beauty) in spades. YMMV, but for even for a hardened globetrotter, seeing Baykal frozen over in the stillness of winter is something you will not soon forget.

jms_uk

^

My first thought was KL with A330

Ditto

But this is an AF fare, and while it's not impossible to add KL segments, it's more tricky...

jms_uk

It is AF fare, but there are quite a few segments on KL metal, including very first one[s] from SVG to AMS

Concerto

For us Brits, getting a visa is a somewhat more cumbersome process and considerably more expensive. For me, the problem is compounded by living outside the UK and that throws up quite a few unexpected problems and obstacles. I, personally, would like to try and make this fare work to Samara (KUF) and I will have some time later this week to fiddle around with it.

Just a question: for going to Tel Avis, will it matter if I have UAE and Omani stamps in my passport?

jms_uk

I've been quite lucky to have a second passport that allows visa free travel to Russia up to 30 days [and China and few others] - saved me a lot of £££ and hassle.

It might result in some extra questioning, but you should still be allowed in. I have been to Israel with stamps from several ME countries, including Lebanon.

stephem

And we can only see the first 500 routings, at least in ExpertFlyer (the theory I have seen is that EF truncates to 500) so I do wonder if there are thousands more we cannot see, including ones allowing KL on the segment to/from ALA.

That brings me to the question after "how many routings are there?" to "how did such a long list of routings get created for such a straight forward route?" It reminds me of the routing tables for the AF "Tamerlane" fare, that started in PTP (basis ZFFWHT) and actually had some crazy low cost add-ins to the same area. Underlying fare was PTP-SVX but wow could it be juiced via some random routing tables that were filed for strange add-ons (like ULN and various other places that Timur) once ruled. Underlying SVX fare is still there, but the add ons and the crazy routing tables have been cleaned up. Never seen anything as strange as this current fare though...

Concerto

You must have a passport for another country due to dual nationality or something, which is great. It appears to much easier for EU (non British) residents to get Russian visas. It's certainly a whole lot cheaper!

nk15

I don't know if I am brave enough to do Russia on this fare in the winter, imagine any snafus with this tix and being denied boarding in IKT in March, brrr....

Btw, little known fact, coincidently IKT is where AF sends people who book tix like this as a punishment...

SQPPS

Yup I just saw the routing tables. ALA is not in there at all. Sorry for throwing the convo off.

this is a super fare...but I really neeed to get to ALA or close to it...maybe I could do a side trip to ALA?

ubiest

Are talking about the 500 routes on EF, or did you find the full table?

FRU is only 240km away, and it is certainly available on the fare. Most EU passports do not require a visa to either place.