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Old Mar 17, 2015, 9:24 pm
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*Update 28/10/2015*
American Airlines has sent out a batch of emails offering customers two options. None of which earns miles and does not address DOT's old guidelines.

We have yet to here from DOT.

Here is a copy of the letter:

Thank you for your patience in our responding to your complaint regarding the cancellation of a reservation for travel to China which you placed on hold earlier this year.

The reservation you placed on hold was for an extremely low fare offered by American in error, and the mistaken fare was offered for only a few hours. Because the fare was offered in error, we cancelled those reservations, such as yours, that had been made but not ticketed.

In our view, given the fact that the fares American offered for China travel in those few hours were so low that it was obvious they were offered in error (a fact widely acknowledged in the social media posts which prompted many of those who reserved the fares to do so), we were justified in cancelling those reservations that were made but not ticketed, and accordingly will not honor the fare associated with your cancelled reservation. However, we will offer to you two options for reduced rate travel to China, one for business class and one for coach class. The two options are as follows:

Option A – Business Class: We offer you a $1,500 discount on any roundtrip business cabin fare to Shanghai or Beijing.
  • Reservation must be booked by AA and operated entirely by AA (including AA’s regional partners).
  • Travel may not be upgraded, by upgrade certificate, AAdvantage status, or any other means, to a higher class of service.
  • Travel will not be eligible to earn AAdvantage miles or Elite Qualifying Miles or points, and will not count as Elite Qualifying segments in the AAdvantage program.
  • Travel may be ticketed immediately and must be completed within one year of the date of this letter.
  • Travel to PEK or PVG should originate and end in the same U.S. airport(s) as in the original PNR with the same passenger(s) (or subset of passengers) traveling as were listed in the cancelled PNR.
  • Must be ticketed within six weeks of the date of this letter.

Option B – Main Cabin: We offer you the opportunity to receive a $0 fare basis main cabin fare to Shanghai or Beijing, subject to taxes and fees of approximately $450 (varies slightly by routing)..
  • Reservation must be booked by AA for any Q or O class fare to PEK or PVG, and operated entirely by AA (including AA’s regional partners).
  • Travel may not be upgraded, by upgrade certificate, AAdvantage status, or any other means, to a higher class of service.
  • Travel will not be eligible to earn AAdvantage miles or Elite Qualifying Miles or points, and will not count as Elite Qualifying segments in the AAdvantage program.
  • This offer is subject to Q or O class inventory availability for travel outbound starting November 15, 2015.
  • Travel must be completed within one year of the date of this letter.
  • Travel to PEK or PVG should originate and end in the same U.S. airport(s) as in the original PNR with the same passenger(s) (or subset of passengers) traveling as were listed in the cancelled PNR.
  • Must be ticketed within six weeks of the date of this letter.

If you would like to accept one of these offers, please contact American Airlines at the following number to make your flight reservation.



When and where are you traveling? - edit below

March
27-March-2015 -- 30-March-2015 (NYC)-DCA-ORD-PEK heatheresq FIRST (apparently)!
30-March-2015 -- 02-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK transparent
31-March-2015 -- 03-April-2015 ICN-PEK-ORD-DFW timid_trnchcoat, Y only


April
01-April-2015 -- 05-April-2015 DCA-BOS-ORD-PEK-HKG-DFW-DCA thegrailer
02-April-2015 -- 07-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK Soddon
03-April-2015 -- 07-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK jetsarefast2
03-April-2015 -- 10-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK fly2nrt
04-April-2015 -- 07-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK cocobird
07-April-2015 -- 10-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK/PEK-ORD-DCA DiscoverCSG
07-April-2015 -- 16-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK learingtofly2015

08-April-2015 -- 12-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK IWontRegretThis
09-April-2015 -- 13-April-2015 IAD-DFW-PVG/PVG-LAX-IAD Tblack15 Confirmed 2x EQPs; had no elite status
10-April-2015 -- 13-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK andrewwm

11-April-2015 -- 19-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK thyeri
13-April-2015 -- 16-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK bchips
13-April-2015 -- 16-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK cbuckhouse
Confirmed 2x EQPs; had Platinum status

14-April-2015 -- 22-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA fijaircan
15-April-2015 -- 21-April-2015 IAD-DFW-... elliottishere
16-April-2015 -- 21-April-2015 ...-DFW-PVG elliottishere
22-April-2015 -- 27-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEKChucksterace
22-April-2015 -- 01-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEKtn8
26-April-2015 -- 29-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA MarkP24
26-April-2015 -- 29-April-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA FriendlySkies
26-April-2015 -- 01-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA miffsc
26-April-2015 -- 01-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA travelsavant
26-April-2015 -- 03-May-2015 IAD-DFW-ORD-PEK-ORD-MIA-IAD Fredd and Mrs. Fredd
27-April-2015 -- 01-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA MsSTL
27-April-2015 -- 01-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCAlakers6902
27-April-2015 -- 05-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK smikih
27-April-2015 -- 06-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA the_happiness_store
29-April-2015 -- 09-May-2015 IAD-DFW-ORD-PEK-DFW-IAD Brituchenite



May
01-May-2015 -- 14-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PVG-ORD-DCA Novemurr+2
06-May-2015 -- 10-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK edbyu +1
07-May-2015 -- 10-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PVG iadp
08-May-2015 -- 11-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK Golfingboy washeelers747 +2
08-May-2015 -- 11-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-DFW-IAD a330300
08-May-2015 -- 12-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA smoneyxc
08-May-2015 -- 12-May-2015 IAD-DFW-... eap
09-May-2015 -- 12-May-2015 ...-DFW-PEK-DFW-IAD eap
09-May-2015 -- 13-May-2015 ...DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA Bonaventure
10-May-2015 -- 16-May-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK Kidorki
11-May-2015 -- 14-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK medichill
12-May-2015 -- 19-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK party_boy
12-May-2015 -- 23-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA rexid
13-May-2015 -- 24-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-DFW-DCA hoosiereph+3
13-May-2015 -- 20-May-2015 IAD-DFW-... travisair
13-May-2015 -- 16-May-2015 IAD-ORD-PEK Long Train Runnin
14-May-2015 -- 17 May-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK Bigguyinpasadena
14-May-2015 -- 20-May-2015 ...-DFW-PEK travisair
14-May-2015 -- 17-May-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK roastpuff
14-May-2015 -- 17-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK Robert
14-May-2015 -- 18-May-2018 DCA-DFW-PEK Cachris69
14-May-2015 -- 17-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PVG iadp
14-May-2015 -- 26-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA AJollyLife (Birthday on the 23rd! )
15-May-2015 -- 18-May-2015 DCA-DFW-HKG-PEK-HKG-DFW-DCA Bonaventure
15-May-2015 -- 18-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK alexj7
15-May-2015 -- 18-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK andrewwm
15-May-2015 -- 18-May-2105 DCA-ORD-PEK-DFW Madone59
16-May-2015 -- 21-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA davidyyz
16-May-2015 -- 19-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK schwimmair
16-May-2015 -- 24-May 2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-DFW-DCA keepssmile
17-May-2015 -- 21-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK tzvilev
17-May-2015 -- 23-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA tommya
17-May-2015 -- 27-May-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK-DFW-IAD krazieman
18-May-2015 -- 21-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA ben1979
18-May-2015 -- 21-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA DS
18-May-2015 -- 22-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA miffsc
19-May-2015 -- 22-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA Bonaventure
19-May-2015 -- 30-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-DFW-DCA transparent
20-May-2015 -- 26-May-2015 IAD-DFW-... elliottishere
20-May-2015 -- 24-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK thepla
20-May-2015 -- 28-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK cvg-aa
21-May-2015 -- 26-May-2015 ...-DFW-PVG elliottishere
21-May-2015 -- 24-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK/PEK-ORD-DCA awaite01
21-May-2015 -- 24-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK/PEK-ORD-DCA smitty06 and shynate
21-May-2015 -- 01-Jun-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA Tobypie
22-May-2015 -- 25-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK tsz
22-May-2015 -- 25-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PVG PaceLaw2012
22-May-2015 -- 25-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK alexj7
22-May-2015 -- 25-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK onfo
22-May-2015 -- 27-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD ghzhammer
23-May-2015 -- 26-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK jetsarefast2
23-May-2015 -- 31-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA bqkali
23-May-2015 -- 31-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA blootch
23-May-2015 -- 31-May-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK-DFW-IAD FlyingChuck
24-May-2015 -- 27-May-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK northshorepa
24-May-2015 -- 27-May-2018 DCA-DFW-PEK Cachris69 +1
24-May-2015 -- 28-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK Bikeguy+1
24-May-2015 -- 28-May-2015 DCA-DFW-... Server
25-May-2015 -- 28-May-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ICN-DFW-DCA Bonaventure
25-May-2015 -- 28-May-2015 ...-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA Server
25-May-2015 -- 28-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA ben1979
25-May-2015 -- 28-May-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-DFW-IAD bartmas777
26-May-2015 -- 29-May-2015 CMH-DCA-ORD-PEK paramenace
27-May-2015 -- 01-Jun-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-DFW-DCA platinumTA
28-May-2015 -- 01-Jun-2015 IAD-DFW-PEK anchor79
28-May-2015 -- 01-Jun-2015 DCA-DFW-PEK-ORD-DCA flying for gold elite
28-May-2015 -- 01-Jun-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-DFW-DCA cfegeley
29-May-2015 -- 01-Jun-2015 DCA-ORD-PEK-ORD-DCA Mrp Alert
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Old Oct 16, 2015, 4:58 pm
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Originally Posted by alpen1
today is 6 months to the day of the first trip I had on hold...still nothing and sent another follow up to DOT after not hearing anything from my last inquiries.
Please update us when you get a copy and paste response!
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Old Oct 20, 2015, 6:59 pm
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The definition of insanity- To keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.

For me, this fare was a learning experience. I will use OTAs that have a 24 hour cancel rule in the future, and never book on AA.

And that the DOT is useless, has no teeth and will let people wait months before they let those that complained know that their teeth are no where to be found.

And that the C product on AA is so old there is a Tetris game in their video package.
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Old Oct 20, 2015, 10:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Bikeguy
The definition of insanity- To keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.

For me, this fare was a learning experience. I will use OTAs that have a 24 hour cancel rule in the future, and never book on AA.

And that the DOT is useless, has no teeth and will let people wait months before they let those that complained know that their teeth are no where to be found.

And that the C product on AA is so old there is a Tetris game in their video package.
And this is why a Like button is needed at times.
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Old Oct 21, 2015, 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Bikeguy
The definition of insanity- To keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.

For me, this fare was a learning experience. I will use OTAs that have a 24 hour cancel rule in the future, and never book on AA.

And that the DOT is useless, has no teeth and will let people wait months before they let those that complained know that their teeth are no where to be found.

And that the C product on AA is so old there is a Tetris game in their video package.
Nothing wrong with Tetris :-D
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Old Oct 26, 2015, 9:18 am
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Just received an email from AA CS, supposedly CC'd to the DoT. Neither of the options they propose will earn AAdvantage miles.


Option 1: $1,500 off a round-trip J ticket to PEK/PVG from DCA (the same airport the original ticket began from). No upgrades, must be ticketed immediately.

Option 2: Y ticket with $0 fare basic, taxes and fees of $450~. Must be booked in O/Q. Again, no upgrades, must be ticketed immediately and won't earn any miles...


Thank you for your patience in our responding to your complaint regarding the cancellation of a reservation for travel to China which you placed on hold earlier this year.

The reservation you placed on hold was for an extremely low fare offered by American in error, and the mistaken fare was offered for only a few hours. Because the fare was offered in error, we cancelled those reservations, such as yours, that had been made but not ticketed.

In our view, given the fact that the fares American offered for China travel in those few hours were so low that it was obvious they were offered in error (a fact widely acknowledged in the social media posts which prompted many of those who reserved the fares to do so), we were justified in cancelling those reservations that were made but not ticketed, and accordingly will not honor the fare associated with your cancelled reservation. However, we will offer to you two options for reduced rate travel to China, one for business class and one for coach class. The two options are as follows:
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Old Oct 26, 2015, 9:34 am
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So done with you, AA.
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Old Oct 26, 2015, 9:42 am
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Originally Posted by keitherson
So done with you, AA.
Well it was going to be over anyways once they change AAdvantage....
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Old Oct 26, 2015, 9:48 am
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Aa's view seems to tacitly acknowledge that its 24 hour hold policy is meaningless. Perhaps, it's time for them to jump on the 24 hour refund bandwagon?
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Old Oct 26, 2015, 9:51 am
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Did only people who complained to DOT get this offer? If so, it seems that AA is actually encouraging people to file with the DOT if and when they make a mistake in the future.
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Old Oct 26, 2015, 10:07 am
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If I were in your shoes, I'd convey the following:

1. Reject the offer
2. Call them out on
A. "In our view" is meaningles
B. Their 24 hour hold policy does not contain provisions for "obvious errors"
3. State that you will continue to pursue this matter
4. 300 word maximum, and use bullet points
5. Cc dot

In light of the fact that AA appears to have sufficiently removed the DOT from the equation, I'm guessing they will win in the end, but they will surely improve on that initial offer just to put this issue to bed. Every lawyer hour they spend on this cuts into their bottom line.
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Old Oct 26, 2015, 10:42 am
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I just got the same email response. Neither are options I plan to take advantage of... It only took 6+ months for them to respond! lol
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Old Oct 26, 2015, 10:47 am
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I also received this response. I don't see AA's angle on this - it doesn't comply with their policy or the DOT requirement. I plan to reject it and raise the matter to the DOT again.
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Old Oct 26, 2015, 11:09 am
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FriendlySkys you've misread the email - these tickets MAY be ticketed immediately, and MUST be ticketed within six weeks of the letter.

Everybody keep in mind - now that AA has issued this response, the DOT will review it.

From my original DOT response:

Airlines are required to acknowledge receipt of a consumer complaint within 30 days and provide a substantive response to the complainant within 60 days. I will review the airline's response.
I am going to respond to AA and let them know that I will be waiting for the DOT's response, and only at that point will I consider their offer (which I will reject if the DOT does not force them to change it).

EDIT: The text of my response, please feel free to copy it

Hello XXXXX,

Thank you for sending this over.

As you know, per the DOT complaint process, this response will need to be reviewed by DOT staff. In the case of my complaint this is XXXXX XXXXX, who I have added on CC. I will not evaluate your letter until he is able to review it, and will consider "the date of this letter" (in "six weeks of the date of this letter") to indicate the date of his response.

As you also know, it was
223 days ago that I put my XXX-XXX ticket on "24-hour guaranteed hold"
222 days ago that I attempted to purchase the XXX-XXX ticket
221 days ago that I filed the complaint with the DOT that you are responding to

Since then I have traveled to China. There is a reason that DOT regulations require an airline response within 60 days of complaint: it is to ensure that travelers are promptly and properly compensated in the event their chosen airline is found to be in violation of those same regulations.

The issue of the held ticket aside, I am very disappointed by how long this response has taken.

I will send an update once I have a response from XXXXX.

Thank you,

XXXXX

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Old Oct 26, 2015, 11:12 am
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Originally Posted by cliburn
Well it was going to be over anyways once they change AAdvantage....
AA right now is basically like what UA was: an incredibly mediocre airline with an amazing FFP to balance it out. Then 2014, UA gutted their FFP. 2016 will probably be AA's turn.
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Old Oct 26, 2015, 11:15 am
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Received the same offer and agree it's ridiculous. It addresses nothing and is clearly a garbage response AA has come up with in order to minimize its own risk while dismissing the problem. Furthermore, it takes them six months to respond and I'm expected to make a decision in six weeks? Absolutely not.

I am rejecting this offer and demanding a proper response from the DOT on this issue.
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