Feb 24, 2015, 12:18 pm
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CLE - Impact of other airlines (gates, routes, equipment, & etc) after UA De-Hubbing
Sep 28, 2020, 6:12 pm
#2401
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Body in the CLE, soul still in New England
Programs: In 2023? Does it matter? SPG/Marriott: Plat; DL: Plat; B6: Mosaic
Posts: 2,979
Just off my gut looking at Fairview Park relative to CLE (and its runways) except for unusual wind situations I think you'd be unlikely to get much aircraft noise since Fairview Park is north of but in the middle of the primary runways so it would have to be an odd flight path to be low enough over FP to make much noise in my experience... But if it's a significant concern you could always try visiting the neighborhood at a few different times of day -- perhaps a walk for doggo would be a good stakeout opportunity -- while you're on the east side your pup would probably appreciate Shaker Lakes if you haven't already come across that little oasis.
Welcome to Cleveland! In looking at the street in Fairview Park you mentioned, it appears to be northwest of the main runways. I bet landing aircraft would not impact you there, but I'm not sure about departures from the 6's turning left. If this is really a major concern for you, I like the idea of hanging out there, walking the dog, and maybe asking some of the neighbors you might encounter if aircraft noise is a problem. When you say "the Valley and the Marina," which ones do you mean--the Rocky River?
Departures are predominantly to the south. DEP 24L, ARR 24R. Runway construction has altered this over the summer. Maybe a "i'm bored and it's raining out so I'll pick a CLE-ATL or CLE-ORD flight number and watch it's flight path on flightaware over that past six months to see how much variance there is in flight plans or how often operations turn northerly" could be fun. make a drinking game out of it. I think I remember there being a lot of noise abatement data and discussion in paper/news back when they extended the one runway. Maybe some of that is still available? I used to play trivia at the BW3 in Fairview and do not recall any jet noise. But yeah, a field data collection dog walk during both landing and takeoff events is probably the best course of action. The standard approaches and departures are published for CLE, including glidepath elevation data to help you pick the best scouting location. as an example, I searched for "kcle ils rwy 24R" to get https://flightaware.com/resources/airport/KCLE/IAP/ILS+RWY+24R+(SA+CAT+I)
As a Fairview Park resident (Bain Park neighborhood - so actually closer to the airport then Coffinberry), I can tell you that one does hear aircraft noise but it has never bothered me or seemed like a nuisance. Now I am a heavy sleeper and am probably used to it at this point, but the only times I ever actively "notice" the noise is the occasional flight that departs northeast and immediately turns west over my house and late at night when the large cargo flights depart (I hear it if outside or lots of windows are open, but it is not window-rattling or anything like that). In the Coffinberry neighborhood, the bigger noise concern would probably be when helicopters go in and out of Fairview Hospital. Occasionally they fly over my neighborhood and one definitely notices it. However, I am not sure about the frequency of helicopter operations at the hospital. Otherwise, you are considering a great neighborhood in Fairview and an overall great location in the CLE metro area.
.Sounds like Pumpkin and I need to take some scouting trips. Thank you all for the warm welcome
The first day at his new home.
Sep 29, 2020, 1:29 pm
#2402
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Cleveland
Programs: UA Gold, HH Diamond
Posts: 31
We've been in the Coffinberry neighborhood for 30+ years -- I can tell you that the runway noise is minimal and I can't remember the last time I heard a helicopter going into Fairview Hospital (although to be fair we are on the western end of neighborhood near Wooster Rd.) I can also add that Fairview Park has been part of a group of CLE-bordering cities that regularly meets with airport management about airport-interface issues, including noise.
Great neighborhood, great housing stock, close to CLE, I-90, I-480, and as you mentioned above, no surcharge for proximity to the lake as in northern RR or Lakewood.
Great neighborhood, great housing stock, close to CLE, I-90, I-480, and as you mentioned above, no surcharge for proximity to the lake as in northern RR or Lakewood.
Oct 4, 2020, 1:12 pm
#2404
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: CLE, DCA, and 30k feet
Programs: Honors LT Diamond; United 1K; Hertz PC
Posts: 4,165
If I have to go express, pre-pandemic F in a 550 is my #2 pick to F in a ERJ175. If you weren't aware the 550 is a CRJ-700 with 20 seats removed, a larger F cabin, and floor-level closets for carry on bags (one in front of F, 3 in front of Y IIRC) -- the thing that makes it appealing pre-pandemic is a "seve your self" snack/beverage section (presumably since there's only one FA) but no in-seat power in F, unlike the 175s
Oct 10, 2020, 5:49 am
#2409
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Body in the CLE, soul still in New England
Programs: In 2023? Does it matter? SPG/Marriott: Plat; DL: Plat; B6: Mosaic
Posts: 2,979
Do many of you drive to DTW for better access to international flights? (and no, I'm not considering Canada as international for the purposes of this thread 
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Oct 10, 2020, 7:14 am
#2410
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: CLE, DCA, and 30k feet
Programs: Honors LT Diamond; United 1K; Hertz PC
Posts: 4,165
) and greater risk of uncontrollable peril (accident, road work, snow, etc.) -- if I book a CLE-XXX-YYY ticket and the airline fails to get me to XXX in time they're responsible for getting me to YYY at no additional cost. On the other hand if I book XXX-YYY and don't make it to XXX on time it's my problem -- the airline might be nice and cut me a break, or the airline might go by the rules and charge for a walk-up fare on the next flight, etc.
Oct 10, 2020, 7:22 am
#2411
Join Date: Jun 2014
Programs: UA MM
Posts: 4,129
Me? Never drive to DTW.
Oct 10, 2020, 9:13 am
#2412
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: JZRO
Posts: 9,169
RNE, noting that I have eschewed CLE for the likes of PIT, CHM and even faraway ORD when it made good sense.
Oct 11, 2020, 8:07 am
#2413
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Cleveland, OH, USA, UA Silver, Hilton Gold
Posts: 772
Hope many of you have registered for the next CLE master plan public information night on Wednesday, October 14 at 6:00 p.m. Here is the link to register:
https://rsandh.zoom.us/webinar/regis...Tq2dMsJw4BsSug
https://rsandh.zoom.us/webinar/regis...Tq2dMsJw4BsSug
Oct 15, 2020, 6:49 am
#2414
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: CLE
Programs: UA
Posts: 289
Here’s the Plain Dealer story on yesterday’s meeting on CLE master plan.
https://www.cleveland.com/business/2...n-process.html
https://www.cleveland.com/business/2...n-process.html
Oct 15, 2020, 7:03 am
#2415
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: CLE, DCA, and 30k feet
Programs: Honors LT Diamond; United 1K; Hertz PC
Posts: 4,165
Here’s the Plain Dealer story on yesterday’s meeting on CLE master plan.
https://www.cleveland.com/business/2...n-process.html
https://www.cleveland.com/business/2...n-process.html
It was also interesting to see the options to fix/improve vehicle circulation and the acknowledgement of the disaster that is vehicle access to/wayfinding at the airport as it stands presently. What did everyone else think about the idea of relocating airport access to 71 with direct access using an "airport expressway " above Snow Road? I didn't see that one coming at all...