Midwest and Frontier to start codeshare
#16

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Midwest signed this deal with a carrier that already partners with one of Midwest's biggest competitors in Milwaukee, AirTran. The story should have also explored the future of AirTran's existing ff agreement with Frontier. It will be interesting to see if that survives.
Last edited by mke9499; Jun 29, 2009 at 7:50 am
#17
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It should also be pointed out that Midwest and Frontier had a frequent flier agreement in the past as well. However, the codeshare is new.
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To me, the next step is to have Frontier move from C concourse to D concourse at MKE. This would make the codeshare more convenient. Is there room for Frontier, Midwest, Southwest and Great Lakes in D? Meaning if Midwest wants to expand again will they have the gates needed to expand? I can also see AirTran going after the gate vacated by Frontier if this were to happen. AirTran seems to be broom riding around MKE these days because Midwest won't go away. That's putting it politely.
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So we all know that YX and F9 will codeshare. What happens next with the DL/NW codeshare agreement? Does DL get tired of the games and bails out? Then what are the MM people to do if they want to go TATL?
#20
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As for flying to Fort Collins, well, Frontier won't get you there either.
But the Frontier code share will give more options to a couple of dozen cities, some of which are not served by Midwest's existing code share agreements.
It also has the potential to put a fair number of loyal Frontier flyers on Midwest and Midwest Connect planes to places like Boston and Cleveland...destinations those travelers today must fly a competitor to reach.
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#24
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I found the following statement from the Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Anti-trust Division, in 1998 testimony.
"The antitrust laws fully apply to all domestic code-sharing agreements and, absent an express grant of antitrust immunity by the Department of Transportation, the antitrust laws apply fully to international code shares as well. To antitrust law enforcement officials, code-sharing agreements are simply forms of corporate integration that fall somewhere between outright merger and traditional arm's length interlining agreements. Like mergers and acquisitions, code-share agreements have the potential to be procompetitive--they can create new service, improve existing service, lower costs and increase efficiency, all to the benefit of the traveling public. By the same token, code sharing arrangements can be anticompetitive. They can result in market allocation, capacity limitations, higher fares, or foreclosure of rivals from markets, all to the injury of consumers. The ability to distinguish the latter from the former is crucial for aviation policy makers and antitrust enforcement authorities".
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No, I believe this incorrect. The Department of Justice has full authority to investigate all domestic and international codesharing agreements.
I found the following statement from the Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Anti-trust Division, in 1998 testimony.
"The antitrust laws fully apply to all domestic code-sharing agreements and, absent an express grant of antitrust immunity by the Department of Transportation, the antitrust laws apply fully to international code shares as well. To antitrust law enforcement officials, code-sharing agreements are simply forms of corporate integration that fall somewhere between outright merger and traditional arm's length interlining agreements. Like mergers and acquisitions, code-share agreements have the potential to be procompetitive--they can create new service, improve existing service, lower costs and increase efficiency, all to the benefit of the traveling public. By the same token, code sharing arrangements can be anticompetitive. They can result in market allocation, capacity limitations, higher fares, or foreclosure of rivals from markets, all to the injury of consumers. The ability to distinguish the latter from the former is crucial for aviation policy makers and antitrust enforcement authorities".
I found the following statement from the Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Anti-trust Division, in 1998 testimony.
"The antitrust laws fully apply to all domestic code-sharing agreements and, absent an express grant of antitrust immunity by the Department of Transportation, the antitrust laws apply fully to international code shares as well. To antitrust law enforcement officials, code-sharing agreements are simply forms of corporate integration that fall somewhere between outright merger and traditional arm's length interlining agreements. Like mergers and acquisitions, code-share agreements have the potential to be procompetitive--they can create new service, improve existing service, lower costs and increase efficiency, all to the benefit of the traveling public. By the same token, code sharing arrangements can be anticompetitive. They can result in market allocation, capacity limitations, higher fares, or foreclosure of rivals from markets, all to the injury of consumers. The ability to distinguish the latter from the former is crucial for aviation policy makers and antitrust enforcement authorities".
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DoJ chops on it from the anti-trust aspect and either says: 1) no problemo or 2) we want time to look at and review any anti-trust implications.
#28
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Posted on a.net by someone who usually has good information from within Fronter:
Effective September 8th.
Midwest will be able to sell tickets to these cities using Frontier flights:
Albuquerque
Billings
Bozeman
Colorado Springs
Denver
Durango
LaGuardia (???)
Rapid City
Frontier will be able to sell tickets to these cities using Midwest flights:
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Indianapolis
Washington
La Guardia
Milwaukee
Denver
Nashville
Dayton
Orlando
Fort Myers
Philadelphia
More to come on both directions from what I've heard.
Effective September 8th.
Midwest will be able to sell tickets to these cities using Frontier flights:
Albuquerque
Billings
Bozeman
Colorado Springs
Denver
Durango
LaGuardia (???)
Rapid City
Frontier will be able to sell tickets to these cities using Midwest flights:
Cleveland
Pittsburgh
Indianapolis
Washington
La Guardia
Milwaukee
Denver
Nashville
Dayton
Orlando
Fort Myers
Philadelphia
More to come on both directions from what I've heard.
#29
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It's official. Midwest and Frontier are now under Republic's umbrella.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Southw....html?x=0&.v=1
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Southw....html?x=0&.v=1
#30



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It's official. Midwest and Frontier are now under Republic's umbrella.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Southw....html?x=0&.v=1
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Southw....html?x=0&.v=1
This outcome goes to show that in certain circumstances, unions can still have a considerable influence on things.

