May 9, 2018, 11:36 am
Last edit by: rny321
PATHWAYS TO LIFETIME PLATINUM PREMIER ELITE STATUS:
1. Legacy Marriott Lifetime Platinum - 750 [MR+SPG] nights & 2MM Marriott Rewards points earned - not available after 1/1/2019
2. New Combined Program - 750 [MR+SPG] nights & 10 years combined/total as Platinum members previously under MR and/or SPG as of 12/31/2018 - not available after 1/1/2019
From members.marriott.com:
NOTE: Members that reach 750 nights and 10 years at Platinum by December 31, 2018 will be grandfathered into Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite status (notified January 2019).
FAQ from members.marriott.com
Q: CAN I EARN LIFETIME STATUS UNDER THE LEGACY REQUIREMENTS (ACTIVE PRIOR TO AUGUST 2018) FOR LIFETIME ELITE STATUS IN MARRIOTT REWARDS, RITZ-CARLTON REWARDS OR SPG? IF SO, WHEN WILL I BE NOTIFIED OF MY LIFETIME ELITE STATUS?
A: Yes, in addition to earning based on the new criteria, members can earn Lifetime Elite Status under the legacy requirements through the end of 2018. If Lifetime status is achieved by legacy requirements, between August and December 31, 2018 you will receive notice of your updated Lifetime Elite status in January 2019. If Lifetime status is achieved based on the new criteria, you will be notified both in August 2018 as well as any time it is achieved through the end of the year.
Example: An SPG member has 300 Lifetime nights, 4 years of Gold Elite Status, and 1 year of Platinum Elite Status after August, 2018. Under the SPG legacy Lifetime requirements, this member would earn Lifetime Gold Elite status which would reflect in their account January 2019.
Q: IF I WILL NOT BE GRANDFATHERED INTO LIFETIME PLATINUM PREMIER ELITE, WILL I HAVE THE ABILITY TO EARN INTO THIS LEVEL IN 2018?
A: Yes, members can earn Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite in 2018 if they achieve 750 Lifetime nights and 10 years at Platinum Elite status. This requirement is only for 2018 and will not be continued in future years. Members will receive notice of this Lifetime achievement in January 2019.
1. Legacy Marriott Lifetime Platinum - 750 [MR+SPG] nights & 2MM Marriott Rewards points earned - not available after 1/1/2019
2. New Combined Program - 750 [MR+SPG] nights & 10 years combined/total as Platinum members previously under MR and/or SPG as of 12/31/2018 - not available after 1/1/2019
From members.marriott.com:
NOTE: Members that reach 750 nights and 10 years at Platinum by December 31, 2018 will be grandfathered into Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite status (notified January 2019).
FAQ from members.marriott.com
Q: CAN I EARN LIFETIME STATUS UNDER THE LEGACY REQUIREMENTS (ACTIVE PRIOR TO AUGUST 2018) FOR LIFETIME ELITE STATUS IN MARRIOTT REWARDS, RITZ-CARLTON REWARDS OR SPG? IF SO, WHEN WILL I BE NOTIFIED OF MY LIFETIME ELITE STATUS?
A: Yes, in addition to earning based on the new criteria, members can earn Lifetime Elite Status under the legacy requirements through the end of 2018. If Lifetime status is achieved by legacy requirements, between August and December 31, 2018 you will receive notice of your updated Lifetime Elite status in January 2019. If Lifetime status is achieved based on the new criteria, you will be notified both in August 2018 as well as any time it is achieved through the end of the year.
Example: An SPG member has 300 Lifetime nights, 4 years of Gold Elite Status, and 1 year of Platinum Elite Status after August, 2018. Under the SPG legacy Lifetime requirements, this member would earn Lifetime Gold Elite status which would reflect in their account January 2019.
Q: IF I WILL NOT BE GRANDFATHERED INTO LIFETIME PLATINUM PREMIER ELITE, WILL I HAVE THE ABILITY TO EARN INTO THIS LEVEL IN 2018?
A: Yes, members can earn Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite in 2018 if they achieve 750 Lifetime nights and 10 years at Platinum Elite status. This requirement is only for 2018 and will not be continued in future years. Members will receive notice of this Lifetime achievement in January 2019.
SPG Lifetime Platinums Can Now Qualify For Lifetime Titanium Status
May 19, 2018, 11:16 am
#391
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: CLT
Programs: Marriott Plat, AA Gold
Posts: 1,076
Where are you seeing this? Marriott needs to clarify so that people can plan accordingly.
Will Count Rationale:
No exception is made for LTPP qualification, so maybe MR Gold years will count. Marriott did state this is how status will be counted starting in Aug, not "under the new program" only,
Will Count Rationale:
No exception is made for LTPP qualification, so maybe MR Gold years will count. Marriott did state this is how status will be counted starting in Aug, not "under the new program" only,
And looking at the new combined requirements for LT status (https://members.marriott.com/benefits/), the requirements for both LTP and LTPP include "10 years at Platinum." If they're clarifying what "Platinum" means for one question, I think it's a pretty safe assumption (yes I know what happens when you assume) that that clarification will apply to the other question as well.
I'm not sure what you mean by "The entire reason for having LTPP is for there to be a cat above the regular LTP so that those who qualified with 75/750 nights will not get the same status as those who qualified with 50/500 nights." There is still a cat above. LTP is now 600 nights. LTPP (1-time only) is 750 nights.
May 19, 2018, 11:48 am
#392
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: CLT
Programs: Marriott Plat, AA Gold
Posts: 1,076
Where are you seeing this? Marriott needs to clarify so that people can plan accordingly.
Won't Count Rationale: The entire reason for having LTPP is for there to be a cat above the regular LTP so that those who qualified with 75/750 nights will not get the same status as those who qualified with 50/500 nights. When LTPP was first announced it was only for MR members so LT points counted, not years at status. Adding SPG and combo routes added this issue. Retroactively changing status to include previous Golds for this purpose seems to defy the purpose for needing the higher level in the first place.
Going forward, yes, MR Gold will count as Plat, but this is one of the last pieces of old business under the old rules. The members.Marriott site discusses LT qualification under the new rules and adds:
The existing criteria is 75 nights and there is no exception stated anywhere.
Won't Count Rationale: The entire reason for having LTPP is for there to be a cat above the regular LTP so that those who qualified with 75/750 nights will not get the same status as those who qualified with 50/500 nights. When LTPP was first announced it was only for MR members so LT points counted, not years at status. Adding SPG and combo routes added this issue. Retroactively changing status to include previous Golds for this purpose seems to defy the purpose for needing the higher level in the first place.
Going forward, yes, MR Gold will count as Plat, but this is one of the last pieces of old business under the old rules. The members.Marriott site discusses LT qualification under the new rules and adds:
The existing criteria is 75 nights and there is no exception stated anywhere.
The "existing" criteria for Marriott LTP does not include anything about years of status, and nothing about 75 nights/year. It is just total lifetime nights and total lifetime points.
Besides, if qualification for LTPP only counted 75-night Plat Marriott years, then it should only count 75-night Plat SPG years, and I don't see anyone here arguing that that should be the case.
May 19, 2018, 11:59 am
#393
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: BDU
Programs: DL:MM, Marriott:LTT
Posts: 8,779
I'm not sure what you mean by "The entire reason for having LTPP is for there to be a cat above the regular LTP so that those who qualified with 75/750 nights will not get the same status as those who qualified with 50/500 nights." There is still a cat above. LTP is now 600 nights. LTPP (1-time only) is 750 nights.
As you point out you are making assumptions where Marriott can provide certainty.
May 19, 2018, 12:33 pm
#394
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: CLT
Programs: Marriott Plat, AA Gold
Posts: 1,076
What do you mean historic qualification? Previously, MR LT status had nothing to do with your individual years' status. You could reach LTP in 3 years at 250 nights/year or in 30 years at 25 nights/year.
May 19, 2018, 3:35 pm
#395
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: YVR
Programs: AC*SE MM, Marriott Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 4,604
FYI, the Wiki on the master one program thread has 2 clarifications from William from yesterday:
I also added #34 to answer the couple outstanding questions
17. Yes, if you earned status in both programs in the same year (not by linking) you will get credit towards Elite status for both programs. <added by Starwood Lurker 18May18
18. In addition to earning based on the new criteria, members can earn Lifetime Elite Status under the legacy requirements through the end of 2018. If Lifetime status is achieved by legacy requirements, between August and December 31, 2018 you will receive notice of your updated Lifetime Elite status in January 2019. If Lifetime status is achieved based on the new criteria, you will be notified both in August 2018 as well as any time it is achieved through the end of the year.
18. In addition to earning based on the new criteria, members can earn Lifetime Elite Status under the legacy requirements through the end of 2018. If Lifetime status is achieved by legacy requirements, between August and December 31, 2018 you will receive notice of your updated Lifetime Elite status in January 2019. If Lifetime status is achieved based on the new criteria, you will be notified both in August 2018 as well as any time it is achieved through the end of the year.
34. For SPG members that want to achieve two Platinum years in 2018 (first via 25 stays / 50 nights with SPG), how can they ensure the Marriott Platinum year is counted towards LTPP qualification. a) Is it 50 nights or 75 Marriott Reward nights b) after August 1st, do they have to restrict themselves to just legacy Marriott properties if using their Rewards accounts if systems are 'merging'
May 20, 2018, 2:27 pm
#396
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: YYZ
Programs: Marriott Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium, AC Elite, Airmiles Gold, Hertz Gold Plus Rewards
Posts: 785
Hi William,Could you confirm B6F as well? All other responses in Section B are attributed to you, except 6F (combining nights):On August 1 when nights from SPG ie 700 are combined with nights from Marriott ie 300 will the total combined nights 1,000 make that member LTPP or does the member have to have 750 nights separately in one or the other program on August 1st? Can a member still achieves LTPP by Dec 31 by the same procedure either combining nights between SPG and Marriott to reach 750 nights or can they only earn by 750 nights separately in either Program?When a member merges their accounts in August, a current SPG Lifetime Platinum Preferred member would already have at least 10 years at Platinum Preferred status, thus they would only need to have at least 750 combined Lifetime nights to receive Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite Status, for which the combination of accounts adding up to 1,000 nights would qualify.
May 20, 2018, 3:13 pm
#397
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: La Jolla, CA
Programs: Marriott Ambassador, Lifetime Titanium, Delta Plat, Hilton Diamond , Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 2,615
Hi William,Could you confirm B6F as well? All other responses in Section B are attributed to you, except 6F (combining nights):On August 1 when nights from SPG ie 700 are combined with nights from Marriott ie 300 will the total combined nights 1,000 make that member LTPP or does the member have to have 750 nights separately in one or the other program on August 1st? Can a member still achieves LTPP by Dec 31 by the same procedure either combining nights between SPG and Marriott to reach 750 nights or can they only earn by 750 nights separately in either Program?When a member merges their accounts in August, a current SPG Lifetime Platinum Preferred member would already have at least 10 years at Platinum Preferred status, thus they would only need to have at least 750 combined Lifetime nights to receive Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite Status, for which the combination of accounts adding up to 1,000 nights would qualify.
We really do need this confirmed once and for all.
May 20, 2018, 6:18 pm
#398
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 946
@Medved @damon88 The question has been answered by William even though that text isn’t signed off (an oversight?).
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29769765-post1202.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29769765-post1202.html
May 20, 2018, 7:23 pm
#399
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: La Jolla, CA
Programs: Marriott Ambassador, Lifetime Titanium, Delta Plat, Hilton Diamond , Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 2,615
@Medved @damon88 The question has been answered by William even though that text isn’t signed off (an oversight?).
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29769765-post1202.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29769765-post1202.html
May 20, 2018, 7:47 pm
#400
Join Date: Jun 2011
Programs: Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 38
I've read this entire thread and I'm still confused. Here's my own case:
-2018 will mark my 9th year of qualifying for platinum in SPG (via 25 stays), and I have a total of 835 lifetime nights in the program
-2018 also marks my 1st year of qualifying for platinum in Marriott's program via 75 nights in 2018 in that program
At the end of 2018 will i be granted LTPP?
-2018 will mark my 9th year of qualifying for platinum in SPG (via 25 stays), and I have a total of 835 lifetime nights in the program
-2018 also marks my 1st year of qualifying for platinum in Marriott's program via 75 nights in 2018 in that program
At the end of 2018 will i be granted LTPP?
Last edited by Puckman; May 20, 2018 at 8:16 pm
May 20, 2018, 7:58 pm
#401
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Portland, OR, USA
Programs: UA 1K 3 Million/ex-many year GS, AA PLT/2 Mil, AS MVPG, HH Dia, Starwood Life Plat, Hertz PC
Posts: 1,401
The belief here is that if you *separately* qualify this year for SPG Plat and Marriott Plat then you will get 2 years credit. Separately would mean that you stayed 25 times or 50 nights at SPG properties and separately stayed 75 nights at Marriott properties. I.e., before combining programs you qualified for each for their respective Platinum. I'm being pedantic here because lots of folks get wrapped up around cross program status matching issues. So with the correct minimum of 125 nights worth of stays you could get 2 years credit in 2018 toward you 10 needed Plat years and then, yes, you should get LTPP at end of year.
May 20, 2018, 8:14 pm
#402
Join Date: Jun 2011
Programs: Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 38
The belief here is that if you *separately* qualify this year for SPG Plat and Marriott Plat then you will get 2 years credit. Separately would mean that you stayed 25 times or 50 nights at SPG properties and separately stayed 75 nights at Marriott properties. I.e., before combining programs you qualified for each for their respective Platinum. I'm being pedantic here because lots of folks get wrapped up around cross program status matching issues. So with the correct minimum of 125 nights worth of stays you could get 2 years credit in 2018 toward you 10 needed Plat years and then, yes, you should get LTPP at end of year.
May 20, 2018, 8:21 pm
#403
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: LGA/JFK/EWR
Programs: UA 1K1.75MM, Hyatt Globalist, abandoned Marriott LTT (RIP SPG), Hertz PC
Posts: 21,170
May 20, 2018, 8:40 pm
#404
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: KSA
Programs: BA LTG, UA Gold, EK Silver, Hilton LT Diamond, Marriott LT Titanium, IHG Plat
Posts: 1,242
I think I am out of luck but perhaps people can confirm re qualifying for LTPP.
I have 752 lifetime nights with SPG and 8 years of Plat (already qualified this year)
WIth Marriott I have 271 lifetime nights (no idea re lifetime points as they are not showing at the minute but they won't be that many given only 271 nights stayed).
I have been member of Marriott for eons but never a very loyal member. I had a black card with Marriott back in the day (probably in the 1990's) but can't say whether I ever was a Platinum member (or equiv). I have been Marriott Gold for last 4 years via the tie up with United where I get the Gold Card via my other half gifting to me as she is a million miler (obviously the Marriott/SPG link up makes this less use than before).
If I did have 2 years top tier with Marriott, would that qualify me for LTPP as I would have 750 nights + and 10 years top tier elite combined (8 + 2).
I think I am out of luck which is no big deal
I have 752 lifetime nights with SPG and 8 years of Plat (already qualified this year)
WIth Marriott I have 271 lifetime nights (no idea re lifetime points as they are not showing at the minute but they won't be that many given only 271 nights stayed).
I have been member of Marriott for eons but never a very loyal member. I had a black card with Marriott back in the day (probably in the 1990's) but can't say whether I ever was a Platinum member (or equiv). I have been Marriott Gold for last 4 years via the tie up with United where I get the Gold Card via my other half gifting to me as she is a million miler (obviously the Marriott/SPG link up makes this less use than before).
If I did have 2 years top tier with Marriott, would that qualify me for LTPP as I would have 750 nights + and 10 years top tier elite combined (8 + 2).
I think I am out of luck which is no big deal
May 21, 2018, 6:47 am
#405
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Toronto
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Posts: 15,521
Interesting
A friend is very concerned about his LTPP status. He wrote to Starwood Lurkers yesterday:
Today he got the following reply:
His case seems pretty cut and dried. Why can't the Lurkers confirm his LT status?
Note: Whoever authorized the last enhancements to the FT website should be fired!
I have Starwood lifetime platinum, and 700 SPG nights of stays. I also have 60 Marriott nights of stays from the last few years, does than mean in 2019 I will be Platinum Premier status for life?
Today he got the following reply:
We are unable to provide an answer to your inquiry at this point. We suggest you to wait till August to view your data when the programs are combined.
If you need any further assistance, please let us know.
Best Regards,
Christina Zhou
Social Media Specialist
Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide
If you need any further assistance, please let us know.
Best Regards,
Christina Zhou
Social Media Specialist
Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide
Note: Whoever authorized the last enhancements to the FT website should be fired!