Feedback to Marriott about the cutbacks
#1
Original Poster




Join Date: May 2004
Location: SDF
Programs: DL:360/DM/6 MMer; Bonvoy: Lifetime Titanium 10+M pts, 3100+ nights;
Posts: 1,440
Feedback to Marriott about the cutbacks
As background, I am a Platinum Premier and have been so for a number of years. In addition, should I ever not spend 75 nights, I am also a Lifetime Platinum. I have not spent as many nights as last year (216) because I'm trying out other properties.
A few days ago, I received an e-mail from Marriott.
I thought about this opportunity and a few days later sent the following.
Yesterday I received the following response which I have sanitized to remove personally identfiable information:
I have been told by multiple property managers that the cutbacks were ordered from "corporate" yet this e-mail asks me to believe that every Marriott manager decided at the same time to, for example, take the mouthwash out of the Concierge level rooms. This kind of "point the finger" response actually makes me more angry than one that accepted responsibility for the cuts and tried to explained why they needed to be done and how they were going to be restored once the economy improved.
I guess I'm going to have to keep "looking around" at the other major chains.
A few days ago, I received an e-mail from Marriott.
Dear DL-Don,
As a Platinum Elite member of the Marriott Rewards program, we value your business as well as your opinion. We've noticed you've not stayed with us in recent months as often as you had in the past. If there is anything we can do to better meet your needs, or if there is a reason you're staying with us less than you had in the past please reply to this email to let us know. If you prefer to call instead feel free to do so at your convenience by dialing 1-800-442-9929. We hope to hear from you soon. Thank You
xxxxx xxxxx
Marriott Rewards
Elite Loyalty
Special Services
310 Bearcat Drive
Salt Lake City, UT 84115)
As a Platinum Elite member of the Marriott Rewards program, we value your business as well as your opinion. We've noticed you've not stayed with us in recent months as often as you had in the past. If there is anything we can do to better meet your needs, or if there is a reason you're staying with us less than you had in the past please reply to this email to let us know. If you prefer to call instead feel free to do so at your convenience by dialing 1-800-442-9929. We hope to hear from you soon. Thank You
xxxxx xxxxx
Marriott Rewards
Elite Loyalty
Special Services
310 Bearcat Drive
Salt Lake City, UT 84115)
For many, many years, I have been a loyal Marriott Customers. Lately, I don't believe my loyalty or the loyalty of other customers like me has been appropriately considered by Marriott and has, in fact, been taken for granted.
Especially during an economic down turn, most companies recognize that keeping an existing customer is much less expensive than gaining a new one. Lately, I have experienced considerable cutbacks in the services received from Marriott while those who simply stay at the cheapest hotels have actually seen more for their money from Marriott. I have experienced:
- continuous difficulty getting my selected newspaper delivered without MULTIPLE calls to the front desk because of your recent changes to your newspaper policies
- massive reductions in the types and quality of breakfast foods available in the concierge lounges in the mornings
- movement to mass-produced, store-bought evening hors devours as well as the loss of cheeses and/or vegetable trays
- total absence of Gold/Platinum special evening events formerly hosted by the property manager or even a regional manager
- total removal or, in some cases downsizing, of bottles of water in the lounges and in the concierge-level rooms
- loss of mouthwash, sewing kits, etc. in the concierge-level rooms
- reduced hours (e.g., no Sunday evening hours) of the concierge lounges
It is my opinion, YOU (the Marriott management) thought you could cut all these things and no one would notice. Well, you're wrong!! The result of that incorrect assumption is that I am moving more of my stays to other brands (e.g., Intercontinental, Hyatt, etc.). You have clearly demonstrated that you ASSUME your best customers, like me, will continue to be loyal despite these giant take-aways. Again, you're wrong!! Rather than staying many more nights at Marriott properties than I need to maintain my status, I will now have the opportunity to have elite status with multiple brands.
I assumed once the economy improved after 9/11/2001, you would eventually restore the cutbacks you made then. You didn't. I won't make that same mistake about the cutbacks you have made this time.
Sadly, if you want my loyalty back, you're going to have to re-earn it and I've seen nothing to indicate you intend to.
Especially during an economic down turn, most companies recognize that keeping an existing customer is much less expensive than gaining a new one. Lately, I have experienced considerable cutbacks in the services received from Marriott while those who simply stay at the cheapest hotels have actually seen more for their money from Marriott. I have experienced:
- continuous difficulty getting my selected newspaper delivered without MULTIPLE calls to the front desk because of your recent changes to your newspaper policies
- massive reductions in the types and quality of breakfast foods available in the concierge lounges in the mornings
- movement to mass-produced, store-bought evening hors devours as well as the loss of cheeses and/or vegetable trays
- total absence of Gold/Platinum special evening events formerly hosted by the property manager or even a regional manager
- total removal or, in some cases downsizing, of bottles of water in the lounges and in the concierge-level rooms
- loss of mouthwash, sewing kits, etc. in the concierge-level rooms
- reduced hours (e.g., no Sunday evening hours) of the concierge lounges
It is my opinion, YOU (the Marriott management) thought you could cut all these things and no one would notice. Well, you're wrong!! The result of that incorrect assumption is that I am moving more of my stays to other brands (e.g., Intercontinental, Hyatt, etc.). You have clearly demonstrated that you ASSUME your best customers, like me, will continue to be loyal despite these giant take-aways. Again, you're wrong!! Rather than staying many more nights at Marriott properties than I need to maintain my status, I will now have the opportunity to have elite status with multiple brands.
I assumed once the economy improved after 9/11/2001, you would eventually restore the cutbacks you made then. You didn't. I won't make that same mistake about the cutbacks you have made this time.
Sadly, if you want my loyalty back, you're going to have to re-earn it and I've seen nothing to indicate you intend to.
Mr DL-Don,
Thank you for taking the time to discuss why you've stayed less often recently. Feedback from members like yourself helps Marriott determine where improvement may be needed.
Sorry to hear about your dissatisfaction with the amenities at some of our hotel properties. Unfortunately, we have no control over what the hotels decide to offer. However, your concerns will be reviewed. You appear to have quite a few points already at almost xxxxx. Thusly, we cannot be certain you would appreciate any additional points for compensation. However, please let us know if this will be an acceptable form of incentive.
As a Platinum Elite member of Marriott Rewards, you are one of our most valued guests. We realize that your travel needs change and trust you know that Marriott will always be here to provide you with a variety of hotel options. We hope Marriott remains your future hotel of choice.
xxxxx xxxxx
Marriott Rewards
Elite Loyalty
Special Services
310 Bearcat Drive
Salt Lake City, UT 84115
Thank you for taking the time to discuss why you've stayed less often recently. Feedback from members like yourself helps Marriott determine where improvement may be needed.
Sorry to hear about your dissatisfaction with the amenities at some of our hotel properties. Unfortunately, we have no control over what the hotels decide to offer. However, your concerns will be reviewed. You appear to have quite a few points already at almost xxxxx. Thusly, we cannot be certain you would appreciate any additional points for compensation. However, please let us know if this will be an acceptable form of incentive.
As a Platinum Elite member of Marriott Rewards, you are one of our most valued guests. We realize that your travel needs change and trust you know that Marriott will always be here to provide you with a variety of hotel options. We hope Marriott remains your future hotel of choice.
xxxxx xxxxx
Marriott Rewards
Elite Loyalty
Special Services
310 Bearcat Drive
Salt Lake City, UT 84115
I guess I'm going to have to keep "looking around" at the other major chains.
Last edited by DL-Don; Sep 24, 2009 at 12:37 pm
#2




Join Date: Feb 2005
Programs: Marriott Lifetime Titanium (former PP), Hilton Silver, UA Silver, AS Member, Hertz 5*
Posts: 3,906
What were the cutbacks that Marriott made after 9/11 that they did not restore when the economy recovered?
#3
Original Poster




Join Date: May 2004
Location: SDF
Programs: DL:360/DM/6 MMer; Bonvoy: Lifetime Titanium 10+M pts, 3100+ nights;
Posts: 1,440
One that hit me the most was that many more properties had their concierge lounges open on the weekends prior to 9/11.
#4




Join Date: Feb 2005
Programs: Marriott Lifetime Titanium (former PP), Hilton Silver, UA Silver, AS Member, Hertz 5*
Posts: 3,906
That is what others have told me. I didn't start to travel frequently until about 4 years ago. Do you know how long Marriott has offered EEOs to gold/platinum members?
#5
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Denver, CO, USA
Programs: Sometimes known as [ARG:6 UNDEFINED]
Posts: 28,788
It's a surprisingly poorly written response from Marriott. It's a boilerplate first and last paragraph with what appears to be a hastily-composed second paragraph.
Starting any sentence with "Sorry to hear about..." seems crude and dismissive to me.
"Unfortunately, we have no control over what the hotels decide to offer" is dissembling at its finest. Of course, MI doesn't control what the hotels decide to offer... what they control is the QA process, which specifically lists items that will ding the property if not available. And they have significantly degraded the QA in the last few years. So, yes, they heavily influence and in fact control what the hotels decide to offer.
Starting any sentence with "Sorry to hear about..." seems crude and dismissive to me.
"Unfortunately, we have no control over what the hotels decide to offer" is dissembling at its finest. Of course, MI doesn't control what the hotels decide to offer... what they control is the QA process, which specifically lists items that will ding the property if not available. And they have significantly degraded the QA in the last few years. So, yes, they heavily influence and in fact control what the hotels decide to offer.
#6
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: DEN
Programs: Free checked in bag on UA & DL. Free icecream at Marriott checkin.
Posts: 2,862
Excellent response DL-Don! I am disappointed with Marriott's response too. This is exactly what I get from calling Marriott about anything. They shuttle you to different departments. Not one will take responsibility for the issue and do some homework on it and get back to you.
The response you got is very similar, we have nothing to do about anything. But we do need you to continue spending your money with us.
The response you got is very similar, we have nothing to do about anything. But we do need you to continue spending your money with us.
#7
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: DEN
Programs: Free checked in bag on UA & DL. Free icecream at Marriott checkin.
Posts: 2,862
Is "Thusly" a word?
DL-Don, you should have asked for 1M points in compensation for the loss of facilities. Would love to hear their response on your estimate of the cutbacks!
DL-Don, you should have asked for 1M points in compensation for the loss of facilities. Would love to hear their response on your estimate of the cutbacks!
#8
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: ORD, MKE, MDW
Programs: Marriott Lifetime Platinum, AAdvantage Gold, Air Canada Elite, Avis Pref Select, Hertz Gold,
Posts: 1,844
Excellent response DL-Don! I am disappointed with Marriott's response too. This is exactly what I get from calling Marriott about anything. They shuttle you to different departments. Not one will take responsibility for the issue and do some homework on it and get back to you.
The response you got is very similar, we have nothing to do about anything. But we do need you to continue spending your money with us.
The response you got is very similar, we have nothing to do about anything. But we do need you to continue spending your money with us.
I've posted similar sentiments on this board within the past few months.
Ironically, I'm reading this thread right after getting a strong HHonors pitch less than an hour ago from a manager at a FS Hilton. Between Hamptons, ES, HGI, and Hilton, those guys could certainly meet my needs. Hower I have serious doubts about whether the perks there would be any improvement.
That said, I've "fired" longtime (10+ year) vendors before. Hertz, United, and
Sprint to name three. And between all the cutbacks and screwups with my MR account, I have to admit I'm getting a little fed up with what I'm seeing these days from Marriott.
#9
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: somewhere other than home
Programs: DL gold, Marriott Platinum, UA silver
Posts: 240
Great reply to Marriott! Too bad they missed the boat in answering your concerns.
I have also asked at several different lounges about cutbacks and was told it was corporate's doing.
My question now is about the Napa lounge. They had been open on the weekends. Has that changed recently? We are there a bit and it would seem silly to be closed on weekends and open during the week.
New to Flyertalk and it is way too time-consuming. I love it!
I have also asked at several different lounges about cutbacks and was told it was corporate's doing.
My question now is about the Napa lounge. They had been open on the weekends. Has that changed recently? We are there a bit and it would seem silly to be closed on weekends and open during the week.
New to Flyertalk and it is way too time-consuming. I love it!
#10
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: BOS
Programs: DL DM 2MM, Marriott LT Titanium, Hertz PC, Avis PC
Posts: 17,223
I think it does vary based on hotel to some extent... while the mouthwash and sewing kit was not in my room at check in, when I left a note for housekeeping requesting them I had a fully stocked bathroom the next morning. My experience is mainly with the San Jose Marriott as I stay here frequently for work... they still have a very nice monthly manager's reception in the CL, hot breakfast with eggs, bacon, oatmeal, fruit etc, and nice evening set up with cheeses, fruit and a hot hordourve item. Plus one of the best evening lounge attendants anywhere and excellent staff overall.
#11
FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Some place in this wonderful world (usually at 39,000 ft in seat 1C)
Programs: CO Gold Elite / NW Gold Elite
Posts: 13,747
I have been told by multiple property managers that the cutbacks were ordered from "corporate" yet this e-mail asks me to believe that every Marriott manager decided at the same time to, for example, take the mouthwash out of the Concierge level rooms. This kind of "point the finger" response actually makes me more angry than one that accepted responsibility for the cuts and tried to explained why they needed to be done and how they were going to be restored once the economy improved.
I guess I'm going to have to keep "looking around" at the other major chains.
I guess I'm going to have to keep "looking around" at the other major chains.
#12
FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Some place in this wonderful world (usually at 39,000 ft in seat 1C)
Programs: CO Gold Elite / NW Gold Elite
Posts: 13,747
#13


Join Date: Feb 2006
Programs: HH Silver, MR Plat Prem & LT Plat, Hyatt Plat,SPG Plat, Hertz PC, National EE, UA 1K
Posts: 3,437
#14
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Dec 1999
Programs: Marriott Lifetime Titanium, IHG Diamond, United Silver
Posts: 16,899
This is one Platinum member who walked away last year.
Having only 5 nights stayed last year (+ the 15 I get with the Marriott Visa I should really cancel) they renewed my PLT status anyway.
I've stayed ZERO nights with Marriott Rewards properties this year. This morning I got an email offering to renew my status if I stay 20 nights between October 1 and December 31.
They just don't get it. I will only stay at a Marriott property if there's no SPG property around. Haven't had the problem yet.
For me, I just didn't feel like being PLT was adequately rewarded at the properties. For instance, I never felt like I got a *real* upgrade until I made the move to SPG. So even for a 1 night renewal I'll probably not come back.
I also got this survey last year and took the time to write a meticulous answer like the OP. I got *no response*.
Having only 5 nights stayed last year (+ the 15 I get with the Marriott Visa I should really cancel) they renewed my PLT status anyway.
I've stayed ZERO nights with Marriott Rewards properties this year. This morning I got an email offering to renew my status if I stay 20 nights between October 1 and December 31.
They just don't get it. I will only stay at a Marriott property if there's no SPG property around. Haven't had the problem yet.
For me, I just didn't feel like being PLT was adequately rewarded at the properties. For instance, I never felt like I got a *real* upgrade until I made the move to SPG. So even for a 1 night renewal I'll probably not come back.
I also got this survey last year and took the time to write a meticulous answer like the OP. I got *no response*.
#15
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Finally back in Boston after escaping from New York
Posts: 13,684
I didn't like the way their response was worded....could have been handled very very differently but the overall message was correct....hotels are street corner businesses and are run that way - corporate doesn't tell them how to manage their business but does tell them what the standards are....cutbacks are never mandated
Mike

