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Wow. Sounds like Ritz Tier 1-3 really got screwed here. Not being able to redeem at Category 7 properties is very disappointing, AND we overpaid relative to Category 9 holders.
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Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider
(Post 30097942)
Members,
For members with existing Travel Packages (booked prior to today and not yet attached to a reservation), today we are able to share how they will convert within the newly unified program. Please see the full chart below. No existing Travel Package certificate is losing value in terms of points and, with the new Free Night Award Chart that goes live today, 70% of our hotels either stayed at the same redemption rate threshold or moved down. As we structured the conversion chart, we considered the introduction of peak and off-peak redemption rates, which will be introduced in early 2019. This means that if you have an existing Category 9 certificate, which converts to Category 6 starting today, holders will still be able to attach the certificate to a stay when redemption rates within that category are at their highest. Please let us know if you have any questions and we’ll do our best to answer. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...2a78819e1e.jpg Marriott Rewards Insider |
Well...I gambled and lost. I'll spare the foul language I'm shouting to the heavens but my choice was cancelling my reservation next week for the Le Meridien Barcelona (was going to wait see if my SNAs cleared) or book a T1-3 to try and use at StRegis Maldives...
Now, not only did I pay 30k more than I needed to, but I'm still hosed since I can't upgrade/downgrade. I admit I gambled and lost but thanks Marriott. Doesn't make me feel good that I burned all my points on a cert I don't need since I had to guess. |
Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider
(Post 30097942)
Members,
For members with existing Travel Packages (booked prior to today and not yet attached to a reservation), today we are able to share how they will convert within the newly unified program. Please see the full chart below. No existing Travel Package certificate is losing value in terms of points and, with the new Free Night Award Chart that goes live today, 70% of our hotels either stayed at the same redemption rate threshold or moved down. As we structured the conversion chart, we considered the introduction of peak and off-peak redemption rates, which will be introduced in early 2019. This means that if you have an existing Category 9 certificate, which converts to Category 6 starting today, holders will still be able to attach the certificate to a stay when redemption rates within that category are at their highest. Please let us know if you have any questions and we’ll do our best to answer. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...2a78819e1e.jpg Marriott Rewards Insider |
Where is my popcorn??? |
this thread is going to be a gold mine of entertainment for the rest of the weekend from those who took a big gamble and were hoping for a payoff. Course, the blogger blowhards had a hand in this as well, egging people on. Ahh well, you win some you lose some. Some people forget, the house always wins in the end.
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Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider
(Post 30097942)
Members,
For members with existing Travel Packages (booked prior to today and not yet attached to a reservation), today we are able to share how they will convert within the newly unified program. Please see the full chart below. No existing Travel Package certificate is losing value in terms of points and, with the new Free Night Award Chart that goes live today, 70% of our hotels either stayed at the same redemption rate threshold or moved down. As we structured the conversion chart, we considered the introduction of peak and off-peak redemption rates, which will be introduced in early 2019. This means that if you have an existing Category 9 certificate, which converts to Category 6 starting today, holders will still be able to attach the certificate to a stay when redemption rates within that category are at their highest. Please let us know if you have any questions and we’ll do our best to answer. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...2a78819e1e.jpg Marriott Rewards Insider (self censored foul language directed at Marriott) |
I thought that the new certificate program was points-based instead of category-based? That is, a cert would be tied to a maximum point redemption rate per night (or at least, isn't this how the credit card "free night" certs are supposed to work?) If an old Tier 1-3 cert is getting mapped to a Category 6 (max 60k points per night) does that mean that it can work for any redemption up to 60k points/night (i.e. new category 7 under the "standard" redemption rates, prior to the introduction of peak/off-peak pricing)? Or are Travel Packages being handled at the category-level instead of point-level, and will be different from the credit card "free night" certs?
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What slime. Not even Tier 4-5 gets Cat 8 for post 2019? And my Tier 1-3 only gets Cat 6. Freakin' terrible.
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Very disappointing I'd agree, glad I booked my certificate for next year just in case they screwed people over. Hopefully they don't change those with existing bookings.
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Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider
(Post 30097942)
Members,
For members with existing Travel Packages (booked prior to today and not yet attached to a reservation), today we are able to share how they will convert within the newly unified program. Please see the full chart below. No existing Travel Package certificate is losing value in terms of points and, with the new Free Night Award Chart that goes live today, 70% of our hotels either stayed at the same redemption rate threshold or moved down. As we structured the conversion chart, we considered the introduction of peak and off-peak redemption rates, which will be introduced in early 2019. This means that if you have an existing Category 9 certificate, which converts to Category 6 starting today, holders will still be able to attach the certificate to a stay when redemption rates within that category are at their highest. Please let us know if you have any questions and we’ll do our best to answer. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...2a78819e1e.jpg Marriott Rewards Insider I think the above 2 requests are reasonable. |
Well Starwood Lurker kept saying attach your certificate for maximum value. Of course, you could not attach to a SPG property if that is what you wanted, but he did warn us. Hmmmm no class actions suits threatened yet. Maybe everybody is away. |
So that is the reasons why no downgrade or upgrade allowed after Aug 18?
HOW SLEAZY Marriott has become. I understand it does not want to let the bloggers fanned speculation got paid off, but in doing such conversion and not allowing downgrade for those holding the ESSENTIALLY BEING DOWNGRADED INVOLUNTARILY Cat 6 owner to get back the 30K over payment is not the right way to keep people whole. THIS.IS.NOT.RIGHT. |
Old Cat 1-5, Cat 7 and Tier1-3 are worth the same as before this year and more if redeemed during peak periods next year. Only the old Cat 9 is being replaced with the better option of a new Cat 6.
Unless redeemed during peak periods starting next year, 3 of the 7 existing categories are losing value. The old Category 6 is only worth 30K if the replacement Cat 4 is redeemed during peak periods. The old Cat 8 is only worth 40K if the new Cat 5 is redeemed during peak periods. Finally, the old Tier 4-5 package is only worth 70K if the new Cat 7 is redeemed during peak periods. If we are able to use the equivalent points value in a higher category, then the overall value of the changes improves. If either the ability to change categories or extend certificates goes away, the changes will be worse. Although I wanted to point out why I think the changes are a net negative, I am not questioning MPG's ability to make changes or blaming others for a choices I made. I ended up with one gain and one loss in the translation. |
Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider
(Post 30097942)
Members,
For members with existing Travel Packages (booked prior to today and not yet attached to a reservation), today we are able to share how they will convert within the newly unified program. Please see the full chart below. No existing Travel Package certificate is losing value in terms of points and, with the new Free Night Award Chart that goes live today, 70% of our hotels either stayed at the same redemption rate threshold or moved down. As we structured the conversion chart, we considered the introduction of peak and off-peak redemption rates, which will be introduced in early 2019. This means that if you have an existing Category 9 certificate, which converts to Category 6 starting today, holders will still be able to attach the certificate to a stay when redemption rates within that category are at their highest. Please let us know if you have any questions and we’ll do our best to answer. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...2a78819e1e.jpg Marriott Rewards Insider I get a Cat-6 attached to a new 50k property. I'm going to hold tight on it.... We have been fore-warned so many times that, attach your certificate. Or take the wild rides. Folks do not want to listen. |
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