Why do you think it's unlikely now that we'll get points for unused certificates? Do you think we'll get point-based certificates instead? A point-based certificate is really just some fixed number of restricted points with expiration and min 7-night redemption.

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How long does it usually take for the airline miles to post to acct? I ordered a travel pkg last thursday

Depends on the airline. I have redeemed both AS and Aeroplan in the past - both took 2 weeks.

Actually I think it is the exact opposite.

The hint is strongly recommend members to ATTACH the cert to an actual booking, and not leaves it as a Floater which would mean "current unused cert", and those would be converted to a yet to be determined / announced points.

A cert currently is attached, is an "used cert". Until the reservation is canceled, said cert is in "used" status. What is intrigue is, when the award stay paid by a cert, is canceled, then what would happen to the cert?

Personally I would make every effort to have an award stay booked in as far in the future as the system allows, and have the cert attached, because this is what SPG Lurker recommends for members to maximize the value of the current TP.

AA used to take about 48 hours. However, I'm now almost 72 hours post-redemption and still no miles.

UA was 1 day the last time I did one.
AS took a while - I want to say about 5 days when I did one in May.

I'm basing my guess solely on the fact that Marriott has generally tried to be fair so far. The fair, logical, and easy thing to do is to convert to a future certificate of equivalent category or close to it.

Getting 150,000 for our unused certificate would be quite generous - perhaps excessively so.
Getting 45,000 for it would be very unfair to the members.

There's no reason *not* to turn them into "new" category certs - that's fair, it's what we expected when we redeemed the award, and it should be just as easy to do as anything else.

Hopefully they will clarify and state what the actual outcome will be. I have one floater sitting out there right now (7 night Cat 5).

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29917515-post1810.html

Bolding and color are mine to draw attention to relevant parts of quote.

Basically you have summarized the situation very well. If a cat 1-5 is cancelled now or after the merger by the member he would receive 45,000 unrestricted points. If a cat 1-5 cat is unattached after the merger it would have to be converted to a new point-based restricted cert to be used with the new reward chart. Are you thinking after the merger MR would force cancel and give the member for example 150,000 unrestricted points for a Cat 1-5 TP cert?

Thanks for the info. Converting the certificate to a new point-based certificate is still not straightforward, though. What would a current cat-9 certificate become, for example? A certificate for use at a hotel costing 45K points per night? Except there's no hotel that would cost 45K per night once the two programs merge (or even in 2019 with the peak and off-peak seasons). If it becomes a 40K certificate with 30K (5K/night for 6 nights) refunded, wouldn't it severely disadvantage the member? 40K would only be good at a new cat-5 hotel in any season or a new cat-6 in off-peak season, while most current cat-9 hotels will become new cat-6 and cat-7 hotels.

I never expected Marriott to offer 150K unrestricted points for a cat-5 certificate. The problem is that replacing a certificate in-kind is not straightforward (see my post above #3595 ). I'm not sure Marriott wants to deal with all the complaints and resulting headaches post conversion.

Two easy solutions:

- Convert them down a half-step and refund a few points.
- Convert them up a half-step. Member gets a one-time small "bonus".

If they down-convert, certificate holders won't be happy because the refunded points are insufficient to book the same hotels (assuming it's upgradable with points). If they up-convert, they may have to convert to a sufficiently high level to make members whole in all scenarios, but at a high cost to Marriott.

If the hotel you want is going DOWN in point cost why would you attach a certificate now?
Or how would you manage the change is rate?