Yes

DH who isPP, got the letter telling him only nights over 100 would roll. I am not sure of the logic for this since PP is supposed to be more about money than nights, but its their game and they make the rules

100 nights was the PP rollover threshold for 2009. Nowhere has it been published the PP rollover threshold for this year. I am anticipating it to be 150 or 175. I doubt that it will be as low as 100; I don't even think it'll be 125. No matter for me, I'm currently at 300 (and will likely be at 325 by year end) so I'll have already met my 2011 Plat requirements on Jan 1 and should be able to make the PP threshold in 2011 for probably my last time.

If anyone positively knows what 2010's PP rollover threshold is, please post it- I'd love to know.


Edit: as you can see from my sig line, rollover nights have really helped me get close to lifetime Plat. Although I joined MR in 2002, I really didn't stay at Marriott properties until 2006.

As mentioned year after year there is no 'level' for making PP. 100 roll over nights does not lock in PP. PP is only the top 2-3 % of Plats each year (with some speculation if you stay 100 nights in a year they won't drop you, but that is just speculation).

So if the top 2-3% of PP had 150 roll over nights, you'd have that to be on par with them to start.

More update coming from current trip: Hamburg Ren, CPH Marriott, Malmo Ren and Berlin Marriott.

Deac83, the number of nights to retain PP has varied over the few years it's been in existance. I went through a lot of PPs' renewal posts and it's been 125, 150, even 175 for renewal some years. Last year's threshold was set extremely early in the year and last year was a bad travel year.
The bar's been lowered for 2010 due to both rollover nights and nights earned for credit card use. With those two factors, I don't think that anything less than 150 will be required to keep PP and would not be surprised to see renewal be 175 nights.
I'd prefer it lower, as rollover nights count toward lifetime status, but 150 or 175 is my guess for PP rollover threshold.

I don't really want to pick a fight on this but it is well documented that the number of nights is not 'the' criteria for pp status. It is a rumor that they would not drop you down to Plat if you stay over 100 nights, but Marriott's criteria for defining who the top 2-3% of all plats are is a well kept secret.

Any speculation as to what makes you a PP or keeps you one is just that speculation, there is no confirmation from Marriott on any of this.

IMO, the 100 nights last year for roll over was taken by many to mean that was the level required to keep your status, but in reality the program was designed to encourage customers to book more stays at Marriott's and what would the point of that be to tell a PP you get roll over nights at 75 nights, when a PP is most likely 100+ nights anyway.

In the end people can believe what they want as there has been plenty of evidence posted here that breaks the rule of PP qualification (i.e. pax staying 300 nights and not getting a PP invite etc).

No argument on the initial qualification to PP. However, if you spend quite a few hours reading some of the posts by PPs in reference to phone calls/e-mails about status renewal (as I did), the only criteria mentioned to PPs was nights. And it was always a number divisible by 25. So while there may be other factors taken into account for PP renewal criteria, it sounds like it's been extremely heavily weighted toward nights in the past.
And as I said in the last post, in other years, PPs have been told 125, 150, even 175 nights were required for renewal. 100 will almost certainly be too low for PP renewal this year. Anyone thinking that they'll be invited to be a PP this year with 100 nights will very likely be disappointed.

I made PP for the first time last year with 177 nights; I doubt that I would have made initial qualification with only 100 nights. I made Plat the previous three years; multiple years as Plat appears to have significant weighting in making PP. My nightly spending has also increased, as I have had more meals, etc on property the last couple of years.

If the PP threshold for rollover nights in 2010 is not divisible by 25, I'll eat my words on this thread. Until then, let's just wait and see.

Have you ever considered that customer service staff are not privy to the criteria for PP? They just do not know. They answer the questions because people are forever calling and asking.

You think that it is a high number of nights because that is what you had when you earned the status. However, you most likely earned the status because of the amount of revenue you generated for Marriott, not the number of nights you were a guest.

There is a reason why so many people here keep saying that the criteria is the top 3% of Marriott guests based on revenue....because Marriott Concierge (actually a Marriott executive in Bethesda) has publicly stated this numerous times in various different forums/threads on FT.

Just because someone stays 177 nights is not, in and of itself, meaningful, if those nights do not generate enough revenue to Marriott.

For example, during one year, "Guest A" stays 177 nights, at an average per night charge of $120, for a total of $21,240 in revenue. During the same year, "Guest B" stays 111 nights, at an average per night charge of $470, for a total of $52,170 in revenue. Which one of those two guests, A or B, do you think will be granted the status of PP? There is only one possible answer, and that is that "Guest B" will be granted PP, and "Guest A" will be Platinum, although "Guest B" will have 102 rollover nights towards status for the following year, when "Guest A" will still be Platinum.

"Guest B" will only have 11 nights towards status in the following year, because the criteria, for ROLLOVER NIGHTS ONLY, is 75 nights for Platinum, and 100 nights for PP. This is because there needs to be some criteria for a cutoff for rollover nights, and for PP it was set at 25 more nights than Platinum. Whether this rollover cutoff number is increased or decreased in future years will be purely contingent on the decision of Marriott executives, and it will likely not effect QUALIFICATION for PP, since again, qualification for PP is based on REVENUE GENERATED, and NOT number of nights.

If you do not believe me, please copy and paste this message into a message for Marriott Concierge, and ask whether what I have written is correct, or incorrect. I am about 99.9% sure that Marriott Concierge will tell you that what I have written here is correct, but of course, as always YMMV!

IMO there isn't any real, "published" criteria for PP...I got a letter telling me how many nights to renew at PP, blah blah...

And lo and behold, at the Beginning of Feb it said I was PP again for 2010, but once things reset at the END of Feb...POOF, back to Plat.

Long story short, but through the intervention of the Concierge Team I was put back at PP.....If I were you I would save all emails and screen shots of your account at Jan 1, Feb 1 etc...to CYA.......

Won't be PP again this year, but since i achieved LT Plat, doesn't really matter....

USIrr....sounds correct to me....though I also tend to think that some of it is just dumb luck as my revenue the 1st year I reached PP wasn't THAT high....most nights were not in FS hotels....but I did have 220 paid nights and probably 50 nights for which i used points......

I am not sure that it's all about nights.

I made PP for the first time last year with 109 nights (real nights, that is - if you add reward stays, double nights bonus and credit card nights, the total was higher).

I may have got PP on the basis of consistent loyalty (~100 nights per year for the last 6 years), but I think it may be that I spent something over GBP 15,000 with Marriott last year and something like GBP 65,000 in the last 5 or so years.

My room count goes nowhere near to putting me in the top few percent of Marriott guests, but something in their formula does and I'm guessing it's cold, hard cash.

You're talking initial PP status where I was specifically referring to renewal of PP. Two different things.

Edit: I dug up your post where you had 102 nights in 2009. Was any reason given for the downgrade?

No, it is not different. According to Marriott Concierge, exactly the same criteria is used for initial PP and renewal PP. Again, if you do not believe me, please contact Marriott Concierge to ask.

you are correct customer service agents don't know.....personally I'm not sure if you're correct or not (but I'm willing to bet your more correct than not)...MI has always told everyone it's the top 3% and when the field started asking what that meant they were always told the exact calculation is a secret

that is correct...PP is always the top 3% of Plats out there, never 3.01 never 2.99 - the only way to renew is to be in the top 3.0%