At the Renaissance Arlington Capitol View we were able to self serve...quiet nice pours ;)

Of course, we also left a "quite nice" tip...

My coworker saw a robe-wearer at the Renaissance Arlinnton Capitol View on Fri AM. It gave us something to talk about for our entire 45 minute commute to our meeting :)

I don't get your post?

I have a very simple message to those who would wear a bathrobe to a lounge: "You are not at home. This is a public place. There are higher concerns here other than your individual comfort."

I have found myself, on several occasions, reminding people of the above. It never ceases to amaze me the degree to which people seem to be oblivious to such concepts.

Generally speaking, their arguments tend to gravitate towards "Well, this is what I want. Why should I follow what you want or think is right?" Several reasons, none of which are specific to me - first, there are generally accepted norms of behavior . . . if you look around and you're the ONLY person wearing a bath robe, guess what? second, if we constantly accept the lowest standard as "the norm" what happens to our standards?

I'm generally not a person who cares what others think . . . but then again, I'm not showing up in a bath robe to a lounge. There are limits to what's reasonable . . .

That's a rather odd universe you live in - where you leave a tip for someone when *you* did all the work....

For the life of me, I'm not sure what it is about a wearing a robe that people find offensive. Most robes cover more than many dresses or shorts and a t-shirt. Nonetheless, despite not finding this offensive nor understanding what is offensive, I do understand that, for whatever reason, many people find this offensive.

Unfortunately, we have been fed a line of cr*p all our lives about the right way to treat others is as we wish to be treated, which assumes the way we wish to be treated is the way everyone wishes to be treated. Different people have different thoughts, beliefs and interpretations. We should be treating others in a manner that makes those others comfortable, which may be different than how we wish to be treated.

By the time we reach adulthood, we should know that there are things that don't make us uncomfortable but make others uncomfortable, and we should avoid doing those things, even if we think these things are acceptable. Wearing a robe in public is one of those things. It ain't about you thinking it's okay, it's about others not being confortable and your being mature and polite.

End of rant.

But he didn't do "all" the work. Someone had to stock the lounge, put out and pickup the dishes, and clean up after people left. Pouring your own drink sure doesn't sound like a lot.

This thread has had an impact at various international Marriott properties. I just returned from an international trip where I stayed at 5 hotels, 3 of them Marriott properties. The three Marriott properties all gave me a letter with regards to executive lounge access, and every letter had a sentence with regards to proper attire in the lounge. The sentence always made a reference to smart casual, which was defined as NOT wearing a bathrobe and slippers. I capitalized the not to emphasize the last phrase.

As soon as I saw this at the Marriott Berlin, I thought of this thread. The three hotels (Marriott Berlin, Skycity Marriott HK, and JW Marriott HK) all had the same sentence. Basically, a T-shirt & shorts are fine, but do not come into the lounge with a bathrobe. I was glad it wasn't collared shirts are required since it was quite humid in HK. Berlin was even quite warm, especially in the nearby shopping malls (75-77 F or 26-7 C is not what I would call a comfortable temperature).

Saw a couple in PJs and slippers in the lounge, absolutely more covered than gym wear but still looked inappropriate
Public vs private clothing not a matter of skin or body shape being evident

Some cities in china have a custom of wearing pajamas but then what westerners consider private becomes public wear

What do you wear when going out to get the paper in the am if you have a long driveway? Sometimes I wear pjs but always want to sneak and get back into the house quickly, but not when wearing more revealing shorts and top
So I think it's context and robes and pjs seem not appropriate in lounge because lounge is public, not private

At the Boulder Marriott 2 weeks ago the perfect storm was 2 couples whose undisciplined young kids turned tabletops into a wasteland of of sugar pops, milk, scrambled eggs and spilled juice. As they were exiting that Sat AM (leaving the mess for the staff) their tool husbands showed up, pudgy but ebullient over their workouts with wife-beater Ts and bagged-out shorts, one in socks alone of course. I felt badly for the staff having to put up with this white trash.

If you insist on wearing PJ's, make sure they are high style or designer label quality.
Like something you might get in First Class to Asia.
Then there is not much that the other Lounge guests can say!
:D

Hm. It's OT, so I'll just make a final comment and leave it....

The attendants in a FS Marriott lounge are not traditional waitstaff; they get paid a full wage as opposed to sub-minimum, and that wage is actually pretty decent.

So, I guess in this tipping universe, all people who get paid a full wage and simply do their job get tipped? The kid at the grocery store checkout? The cable guy? The lady at the Jersey Turnpike tollbooth?

And for the record, pouring my own drink does sound like a lot when I'm paying for the drink anyway. If I go to the lounge downstairs, the guy behind the bar does all the things you mentioned and he pours my drink....

Someone actually gets a newspaper (and I won't even ask that one gets it delivered)

This comment has nothing to do with the kids and mess but your comment as a whole. I think this post says so much more about you than the parents (or kids)

bold my emphasis

so all my pudgy FT friends, this poster may consider you white trash as otherwise, pudgy had nothing to do with leaving a mess

Decent wine tastes better if you don't fill the glass, but as long as someone takes a wine glass for wine, I don't think the lounge dragon should make a fuss. The person pouring decides how much to pour, although filling the glass literally to the rim does seem a bit tacky. If the person had grabbed a huge glass meant for iced tea or something, especially from a shelf far from the wine and wine glasses, then this would seem improper but still hardly worth a scene.

Sometimes people take food to their rooms because lounges are too crowded or too noisy to be pleasant places to spend time. If I see children running around a lounge, the F&B is taken to my room to enjoy in peace.

Was that really necessary?