Ideal Bonvoy status qualification for 2021
#121
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Haze gray and underway
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What do you think will be Marriott's action regarding status re-qualification for next year?
1. All members to be given status extension until Feb 2022 based on their current status
2. All members to be given 'Double Nights' promo in order to reach the required status quicker
3. All members to be deposited with 'XX' number of nights in their account depending on their current status ie. xx nights for Gold, xx nights for Platinum, xx nights for Titanium and so on.....
4 ????
5 ?????
6 ??????
7???????
Obviously an ideal scenario, in the case, would be 1 without doubt but being Marriott I, personally, think they would be this generous? As the situation is still evolving and will be very hard to predict what will happen to the rest of the world in few weeks or months time.
What are your thoughts?
God bless everyone and stay safe!
1. All members to be given status extension until Feb 2022 based on their current status
2. All members to be given 'Double Nights' promo in order to reach the required status quicker
3. All members to be deposited with 'XX' number of nights in their account depending on their current status ie. xx nights for Gold, xx nights for Platinum, xx nights for Titanium and so on.....
4 ????
5 ?????
6 ??????
7???????
Obviously an ideal scenario, in the case, would be 1 without doubt but being Marriott I, personally, think they would be this generous? As the situation is still evolving and will be very hard to predict what will happen to the rest of the world in few weeks or months time.
What are your thoughts?
God bless everyone and stay safe!
Marriott needs to be concerned about it’s long term viability and yes profit. Decisions made today can / will have long term consequences and need to be made with as much information as possible. Is there a reason that Marriott can not wait and see where things go and make what they believe to be appropriate changes then? One dramatic fact would be exposed if they did and that would be customer brand loyalty and that would give them another point of reference to modify their customer loyalty program.
For myself there are many factors involved when I choose my accommodations, Location, availability, comfort, cost, customer input, restaurant(s), past stays, and yes customer loyalty programs. And as for myself current events will have only limited effect on my choice(s).
#122
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 278
Might I say? "Get A Grip!" We are in an unknown and very fluid situation with a very uncertain time line and all some of us can think of is. What will Marriott (International, Inc.) do for me next year?
Marriott needs to be concerned about it’s long term viability and yes profit. Decisions made today can / will have long term consequences and need to be made with as much information as possible. Is there a reason that Marriott can not wait and see where things go and make what they believe to be appropriate changes then? One dramatic fact would be exposed if they did and that would be customer brand loyalty and that would give them another point of reference to modify their customer loyalty program.
For myself there are many factors involved when I choose my accommodations, Location, availability, comfort, cost, customer input, restaurant(s), past stays, and yes customer loyalty programs. And as for myself current events will have only limited effect on my choice(s).
Marriott needs to be concerned about it’s long term viability and yes profit. Decisions made today can / will have long term consequences and need to be made with as much information as possible. Is there a reason that Marriott can not wait and see where things go and make what they believe to be appropriate changes then? One dramatic fact would be exposed if they did and that would be customer brand loyalty and that would give them another point of reference to modify their customer loyalty program.
For myself there are many factors involved when I choose my accommodations, Location, availability, comfort, cost, customer input, restaurant(s), past stays, and yes customer loyalty programs. And as for myself current events will have only limited effect on my choice(s).
Also, can we please have a break on anything related to the virus and how we shouldn't care about how companies treat us. This is FlyerTalk for God's sake, it's like going to a tennis forum and telling people not to worry about tennis. "Get a grip! All you can worry about is your backhand swing????"
#123
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Haze gray and underway
Programs: UA 1K 2MM, HH Diamond, Marriott 'clink clink' Titanium
Posts: 1,784
Yes, there is. The fact that there is an uncertain time line should be more the reason for companies to make accommodations for it's customers now. What makes Marriott so special that every other company is willing to please it's customers but Marriott gets a pass? Because they're worried about their bottom line? Guess what, every other company is too. They just don't screw their customers like Marriott did to get there. Keep in mind they made promises to a lot of FlyerTalk members then reneged on it so not only did they not extend status, they screwed over people during this period. When this all blows over people will remember how we were treated.
Also, can we please have a break on anything related to the virus and how we shouldn't care about how companies treat us. This is FlyerTalk for God's sake, it's like going to a tennis forum and telling people not to worry about tennis. "Get a grip! All you can worry about is your backhand swing????"
Also, can we please have a break on anything related to the virus and how we shouldn't care about how companies treat us. This is FlyerTalk for God's sake, it's like going to a tennis forum and telling people not to worry about tennis. "Get a grip! All you can worry about is your backhand swing????"
#124
Join Date: Feb 2018
Programs: Bonvoy :Ambassador , ALL :Diamond, Skywards :Silver, Krisflyer :Silver
Posts: 2,808
LOL. I find it funny that everyone also has to add a comment to spin the positive that Hilton has done into a negative. Imagine that - doing something positive for the consumer means "they think Coronavirus will extend into next year so they are boffins". I guess on that thought train, Marriott must be Messiah for screwing it's customers.
Anyway, recent email from Marriott specifically said that they still considering the options for 2021.
I guess we will know what they will going to do about the elites later.
As for ideal status qualification, I still believe 1 year extension at current level should suffice.
Unless the issue keep going through 2021.
#125
Join Date: Mar 2013
Programs: Aeroplan, Amex AeroPlat
Posts: 977
Try read again the post ... seems like you not only missed the point but you completely don't understand the post.
Anyway, recent email from Marriott specifically said that they still considering the options for 2021.
I guess we will know what they will going to do about the elites later.
As for ideal status qualification, I still believe 1 year extension at current level should suffice.
Unless the issue keep going through 2021.
Anyway, recent email from Marriott specifically said that they still considering the options for 2021.
I guess we will know what they will going to do about the elites later.
As for ideal status qualification, I still believe 1 year extension at current level should suffice.
Unless the issue keep going through 2021.
For those who wish the extension would be based on 2019 status— no dice. Corona virus didn’t affect travel in 2019.
#126
Join Date: Feb 2019
Programs: Bonvoy Titanium, Hilton Diamond, United Gold, Pualani Gold
Posts: 69
Yes, exactly. Whatever your current status is at this moment that expires beginning of 2021, should extend to 2022, giving us all of 2021 to get all our usual annual number of nights.
#127
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Bangkok
Programs: Marriott Bonvoy Titanium, BAEC Silver, TK Miles & Smiles Elite
Posts: 2,211
I quite like the idea of double or triple nights for whatever remains of 2020 when we get back going again. This would achieve Marriott's shorter-term goals of encouraging people to stay in the current year by giving everyone an achievable goal.
Of course, the practicality of such a scheme is entirely dependent on the un-known at this point in time: namely when the world will functionally get back to normal.
Given that pretty much everyone's in the same boat right now I'm not losing any sleep over qualification criteria for 2021 when it's still only the end of March. They've got plenty of time left this year to devise something that will deliver enough elites for next year and incentivise us to shoot for something to drive their room nights this year. The problem with simply extending everyone's status through 2021 is that it doesn't necessarily drive room nights for them this year which will be a priority when hotels start to open again.
Speaking for myself, if travel in SE Asia becomes practical again by, say, July then I'll be able to use up all my vacation entitlement in the last six months of the year and if I'm suitably incentivised by, say, double nights then requalification without extension will be entirely possible. But that's just me and my leisure travel patterns.
The point is, plenty of time left this year and there's more than one way for them to skin the cat.
Of course, the practicality of such a scheme is entirely dependent on the un-known at this point in time: namely when the world will functionally get back to normal.
Given that pretty much everyone's in the same boat right now I'm not losing any sleep over qualification criteria for 2021 when it's still only the end of March. They've got plenty of time left this year to devise something that will deliver enough elites for next year and incentivise us to shoot for something to drive their room nights this year. The problem with simply extending everyone's status through 2021 is that it doesn't necessarily drive room nights for them this year which will be a priority when hotels start to open again.
Speaking for myself, if travel in SE Asia becomes practical again by, say, July then I'll be able to use up all my vacation entitlement in the last six months of the year and if I'm suitably incentivised by, say, double nights then requalification without extension will be entirely possible. But that's just me and my leisure travel patterns.
The point is, plenty of time left this year and there's more than one way for them to skin the cat.
#128
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: UK
Programs: BA GfL & GGL, FB Platinum, MB Titanium, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 2,403
IMHO I think the best thing to do is to roll over everyone’s status until 2021. Level playing field and should be easy from an IT perspective. It would take pressure off everyone as even if the world starts to get back to normal it may take some places longer than others and who know what the airlines market will look like. It would also buy Marriott goodwill and not lose members to say Hilton who have already set a good precedent.
#129
Join Date: Feb 2018
Programs: Bonvoy :Ambassador , ALL :Diamond, Skywards :Silver, Krisflyer :Silver
Posts: 2,808
In my opinion, they could do both.
Extending membership tier for one year to keep loyal members coming in the long run.
And
Do a double/triple night or point promotions to spur 2020 bookings once world return to normal.
(this will be useful if virus issue cleared before 2nd or 3rd quarter of 2020 at the latest)
the downside are there will be glut of SNAs next year and unnatural increase of elites.
Extending membership tier for one year to keep loyal members coming in the long run.
And
Do a double/triple night or point promotions to spur 2020 bookings once world return to normal.
(this will be useful if virus issue cleared before 2nd or 3rd quarter of 2020 at the latest)
the downside are there will be glut of SNAs next year and unnatural increase of elites.
#130
Join Date: Sep 2018
Programs: Alaska
Posts: 2,188
In my opinion, they could do both.
Extending membership tier for one year to keep loyal members coming in the long run.
And
Do a double/triple night or point promotions to spur 2020 bookings once world return to normal.
(this will be useful if virus issue cleared before 2nd or 3rd quarter of 2020 at the latest)
the downside are there will be glut of SNAs next year and unnatural increase of elites.
Extending membership tier for one year to keep loyal members coming in the long run.
And
Do a double/triple night or point promotions to spur 2020 bookings once world return to normal.
(this will be useful if virus issue cleared before 2nd or 3rd quarter of 2020 at the latest)
the downside are there will be glut of SNAs next year and unnatural increase of elites.
SNAs can still require the same number of nights without multiplier.
#131
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: None - previously UA
Posts: 4,867
In my opinion, they could do both.
Extending membership tier for one year to keep loyal members coming in the long run.
And
Do a double/triple night or point promotions to spur 2020 bookings once world return to normal.
(this will be useful if virus issue cleared before 2nd or 3rd quarter of 2020 at the latest)
the downside are there will be glut of SNAs next year and unnatural increase of elites.
Extending membership tier for one year to keep loyal members coming in the long run.
And
Do a double/triple night or point promotions to spur 2020 bookings once world return to normal.
(this will be useful if virus issue cleared before 2nd or 3rd quarter of 2020 at the latest)
the downside are there will be glut of SNAs next year and unnatural increase of elites.
2020 not looking good at all, lockdown / distancing restrictions will likely take 6 months probably longer to lift. Domestic/International travel quarantines will likely be in place through 2021.
#132
Join Date: Mar 2013
Programs: Aeroplan, Amex AeroPlat
Posts: 977
Also, it’s not like people will start traveling en mass as soon as the government self-isolation order is lifted. Some people need to work more to make up for lost productivity, I know I have cancelled all personal travels this year and unsure about business travel. Some people will be reluctant to travel so soon.
Take business travel as an example: my firm has mandated that there’s no business travel until otherwise notified.
As I said, this year is toast for all kinds of traveling.
Take business travel as an example: my firm has mandated that there’s no business travel until otherwise notified.
As I said, this year is toast for all kinds of traveling.
#133
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: UK
Programs: BA GfL & GGL, FB Platinum, MB Titanium, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 2,403
Also, it’s not like people will start traveling en mass as soon as the government self-isolation order is lifted. Some people need to work more to make up for lost productivity, I know I have cancelled all personal travels this year and unsure about business travel. Some people will be reluctant to travel so soon.
Take business travel as an example: my firm has mandated that there’s no business travel until otherwise notified.
As I said, this year is toast for all kinds of traveling.
Take business travel as an example: my firm has mandated that there’s no business travel until otherwise notified.
As I said, this year is toast for all kinds of traveling.
#134
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2008
Programs: AA EXP/LTP, BA GGL/CCR/GfL, HH D/LTD, SPG/MR Plat/LTP
Posts: 10,076
Just what I thought an hour ago, browsing through flight and hotel reservations from April , with flights booked into mid-December. Mentally, I'm writing off all travel plans until end of August, but preparing for an extension of the hardships.
#135
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: PHL
Programs: AA Plat, MR AMB + (LTT) , Hertz PC, UA Silver, HH Gold
Posts: 265
I think they will just extend everyone for the year, no one really thinks travel will return to even close to normal levels until 2021. I think this is why they didn't blanket soft land everyone. They didn't want to essentially soft land folks for two years at high levels, since they realize this year will be a wash.