Ideal Bonvoy status qualification for 2021
#16
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: SIN/BNE
Posts: 816
Well, there's actually the very simple reason that if they extend status for everybody, then nobody will feel any particular need to stay at Marriott for the rest of 2020.
The question is whether the revenue they might get during the rest of 2020 is more important than the risk of annoying elite members and chasing them away to chains showing more generosity. Which is why they are all waiting to see what the other major chains do.
The question is whether the revenue they might get during the rest of 2020 is more important than the risk of annoying elite members and chasing them away to chains showing more generosity. Which is why they are all waiting to see what the other major chains do.
#17
Join Date: Dec 2017
Programs: Delta, United
Posts: 38
Whatever is done, I hope Marriott doesn’t dilute the Ambassador Elite tier with members who didn’t meet the standard qualifications. For example, if someone was Silver and met some form of 2020 COVID promo qualification (eg stay X nights to reach Y tier), AE should be excluded.
#18
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Western Europe
Programs: Yeah, well, don’t really care anymore
Posts: 846
The airlines, hotels, travel agencies - the ENTIRE travel industry are in a fight for their lives. And you're concerned about maintaining an utterly inconsequential status.
Perspective, people, perspective. Oh, and a lot less selfishness!
Perspective, people, perspective. Oh, and a lot less selfishness!
#19
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: ORD
Programs: UA Silver, Marriott Platinum/LT Platinum, Hilton Gold
Posts: 5,594
And it's ok if you don't want to discuss these topics, participation in FT is optional! And they don't make the concerns you raised any less important.
#20
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Saipan, MP 96950 USA (Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands = the CNMI)
Programs: UA Silver, Hilton Silver. Life: UA .57 MM, United & Admirals Clubs (spousal), Marriott Platinum
Posts: 15,067
Should gratuitous status extension years count toward lifetime status qualification?
I believe lifetime membership is based on years "earned".
I believe lifetime membership is based on years "earned".
#22
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: CT/NY
Programs: Bonvoy Titanium; Amtrak Select
Posts: 61
Marriott may not exist in 2021, at least not in its current form. Hope you aren't long points.
#23
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: British Columbia
Programs: AS MVPG100K, Marriott Marriott Titanium Elite, Hilton Gold
Posts: 7,263
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Hmmm...I can't figure out how I feel about this statement. Logically, I completely agree. But emotionally, I'm wondering why these people are out staying at hotels when most businesses have suspended travel and we are told to "stay at home". No question there are always people who need a hotel, especially those whose jobs require them to travel in order to keep us safe during this time. Yet, I kind of feel like it's a grocery store rewarding someone for hoarding 200 rolls of toilet paper.
James
#24
Join Date: Dec 2018
Programs: $9 Fare Club
Posts: 1,485
Yet as someone that has stayed enough nights with Hilton to get Diamond & Marriott to get Platinum, I can categorically say that in my experience Hilton treat their loyalty members far far better.
#25
Moderator: Alaska Mileage Plan
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 12,320
A soft landing dropping one level seems fair.
#26
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: None - previously UA
Posts: 4,867
Hmmm...I can't figure out how I feel about this statement. Logically, I completely agree. But emotionally, I'm wondering why these people are out staying at hotels when most businesses have suspended travel and we are told to "stay at home". No question there are always people who need a hotel, especially those whose jobs require them to travel in order to keep us safe during this time. Yet, I kind of feel like it's a grocery store rewarding someone for hoarding 200 rolls of toilet paper.
#27
Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATL
Programs: DL GM, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 1,242
I know it's not an important issue in the grand scheme of things, but jumping in because I'm bored (and somehow still tired!) at home.
I think it makes most sense to extend everyone's current status by a year. I'm sure that getting back to "normal" will probably vary a lot based on geography, and based on what companies people work for, so an across the board extension seems the most fair. (Depending on how things shake out, maybe later in the year they can announce a set of pro-rated requirements for people wanting to increase their status level for next year).
I think it makes most sense to extend everyone's current status by a year. I'm sure that getting back to "normal" will probably vary a lot based on geography, and based on what companies people work for, so an across the board extension seems the most fair. (Depending on how things shake out, maybe later in the year they can announce a set of pro-rated requirements for people wanting to increase their status level for next year).
#28
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Somewhere in Florida
Posts: 2,622
If authorities were to suddenly declare tomorrow that it's all clear, no new cases, and the virus was completely eradicated, the public isn't going to just immediately start traveling again. People are going to worry about potential future outbreaks/resurgences. These sudden travel restrictions enacted by governments with no warning are going to stick in the back of people's minds for some time. Lowering prices alone isn't going to put the public's butts in seats and beds. I'm seeing NYC hotels for $60/nt right now. I know what it costs to run a hotel in Florida, but with NYC's onerous taxes/regulations I can't imagine hoteliers are able to make any money on rates like that. If anything they're just trying to slow down the bleeding.
All of the crap the airlines and hotels have pulled over the past decade with extra fees, non-refundable rates, extended cancellation windows, will have to be dialed back. Why would anyone book a hotel room with a 5-day cancellation period when governments were only giving single days' notice of closing the border?
#29
Join Date: Jan 2014
Programs: Amtrak Guest Rewards (SE), Virgin America Elevate, Hyatt Gold Passport (Platinum), VIA Preference
Posts: 3,134
Hmmm...I can't figure out how I feel about this statement. Logically, I completely agree. But emotionally, I'm wondering why these people are out staying at hotels when most businesses have suspended travel and we are told to "stay at home". No question there are always people who need a hotel, especially those whose jobs require them to travel in order to keep us safe during this time. Yet, I kind of feel like it's a grocery store rewarding someone for hoarding 200 rolls of toilet paper.
If status is extended for everyone, that does NOT mean additional SNA's or similar benefits. The people who are actually staying would still earn those. Maybe there's another way to reward them without penalizing everyone else for contributing to the world's overall well-being.
If status is extended for everyone, that does NOT mean additional SNA's or similar benefits. The people who are actually staying would still earn those. Maybe there's another way to reward them without penalizing everyone else for contributing to the world's overall well-being.
(2) Most businesses have canned travel. Some have not. There are categories of "essential" travel. I've got one friend whose company is nominally on WFH, but they have to go into the office for some of their work because air-gapped systems are involved, and they're still stuck doing a few client meetings here and there as well. Let's face it, when security clearances get involved everything gets wacky and "essential" travel does still crop up. Also, while weddings and the like may be called off, funerals and illnesses and the like aren't always so kind as to phone in advance.
#30
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: ORD
Programs: UA Silver, Marriott Platinum/LT Platinum, Hilton Gold
Posts: 5,594
(1) I've been considering a "minimal contact" mattress run (some of my local hotels have punched through $70/night for a week-long stay, including one within my normal travel range, so going through the ritual of checking in wouldn't be utterly insane at this stage). Far less of a chance of picking up or passing along something than with a mileage run. I'm trying to figure out how much of that I could manage while still observing social distancing protocols.
It's not perfect and someone may have a better idea, but I think it's fair.