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Originally Posted by CJKatl
(Post 30070930)
We are all waiting for the new T&Cs. Do you have a link?
Members.Marriott does not have "thereafter" in its description. |
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BIGGER CHANGE:
Under what is posted as the new rules: A Member can earn Points or Miles and Qualifying Nights for eligible groups, meetings and events if the Member is an eligible meeting planner pursuant to Section 5. Fraudulently claimed to qualify as a Rewarding Events Professional Meeting Planner to be eligible to earn any of the benefits offered to a Rewarding Events Professional Meeting Planner pursuant to the Loyalty Program; ADDED: We do not know when this was posted or if it the final rules or a draft. It would be unlikely this is not real, as nobody would likely go to the trouble of preparing such a detailed fake, but until the rules are posted by Marriott we still do not know absolutes. But this seems pretty believable. |
Originally Posted by M.dA.R.
(Post 30070544)
can you provide a link for those T&Cs ?
Originally Posted by CJKatl
(Post 30071317)
BIGGER CHANGE:
[...] For most member that would likely mean no ten nights even for a first meeting! |
Originally Posted by CJKatl
(Post 30071317)
BIGGER CHANGE:
Under what is posted as the new rules: and a membership can be revoked if a member: For most member that would likely mean no ten nights even for a first meeting! ADDED: We do not know when this was posted or if it the final rules or a draft. It would be unlikely this is not real, as nobody would likely go to the trouble of preparing such a detailed fake, but until the rules are posted by Marriott we still do not know absolutes. But this seems pretty believable. "4.2.b. To achieve or renew Elite membership status, the following number of Elite Night Credits (“Minimum Requirement”) must be earned through (i) nights stayed at Participating Properties or (ii) Rewarding Events between January 1 and December 31 of any given year:" "5.3.d. Elite Night Credit. Members who hold Qualifying Events at Participating Properties also receive ten (10) Elite Night Credits for their first Qualifying Event, and then earn one (1) Elite Night Credit for every twenty (20) rooms booked and actualized, up to a maximum of twenty (20) Elite Night Credits per contract." "5.4.b. Qualifying Event. A Qualifying Event is an event or meeting that is booked by a Loyalty Program Member who provides his/her Membership Number in the applicable Qualifying Event Agreement and is held at a Participating Property. A Qualifying Event will not include: (a) any booking of guest rooms, regardless of the number of guest rooms, that is booked in any manner other than under an Qualifying Event Agreement, (b) any booking of guest rooms on behalf of an employer, client or principal that has elected (whether through an agreement with a Participating Property or otherwise) to have Points awarded to another individual or entity, c) any booking of guest rooms that are complimentary or barter rooms, (d) complimentary meetings or meeting charges or (e) any event or meeting, or booking of guest rooms by: i. a government employee, official, or anyone acting on behalf of a government agency or department booking an event on behalf of his/her employing entity; ii. an employee, or someone acting on behalf of a state-owned or state-controlled entity (“SOE”) booking an event on behalf of his/her employing entity; iii. an intermediary booking an event on behalf of a non-U.S. government entity or SOE; or iv. at Participating Properties in Asia, Australia & the Pacific Islands, an intermediary booking an event on behalf of any government entity (U.S. or non-U.S.) or SOE. For example, any event or meeting booked by government employees, officials, employees of SOEs and those acting on behalf of government agencies, departments and SOEs booking an event on behalf of their employing entity, as well as third-party commercial intermediaries booking on behalf of a non-U.S. governmental entity or SOE does not qualify as a Qualifying Event. In addition, for Participating Properties in Asia, Australia & the Pacific Islands, events booked by an intermediary on behalf of any government entity (U.S. or non-U.S.) or SOE do not qualify as a Qualifying Event." |
Originally Posted by phltraveler
(Post 30071342)
Nice finds. I was mainly scouting the Rewarding Events section/subsection and missed the mention of Rewarding Events in the cancellation of MR accounts section.
BUT... This appears to be an old draft and is not the current or final T&Cs. In the section on how to qualify for LTPP it does mention that all Marriott LTPs become LTPP but is silent on SPG LTPs with 750+ nights. We know that changed. There are a few other rules we know were changed that seem to be missing from this draft, so it is obviously outdated. We still do not know what is final. |
Originally Posted by CJKatl
(Post 30071387)
This appears to be an old draft and is not the current or final T&Cs. In the section on how to qualify for LTPP it does mention that all Marriott LTPs become LTPP but is silent on SPG LTPs with 750+ nights. We know that changed. There are a few other rules we know were changed that seem to be missing from this draft, so it is obviously outdated. We still do not know what is final.
Originally Posted by T&Cs
Originally Posted by members.marriott.com
NOTE: Members who reach 750 nights and 10 years at Platinum by December 31, 2018, will be grandfathered into Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite status (notified January 2019). In addition, members that achieve Marriott Rewards Lifetime Platinum under the legacy requirements by year end will also be grandfathered into Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite status. And don’t forget that we’ll combine Lifetime activity across both Rewards and SPG toward qualification when members combine accounts in August. Beginning in 2019, qualification into Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite status will not be available. See FAQs for details.
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Originally Posted by rny321
(Post 30071369)
I would caution against cursory analysis of long documents. At the risk of doing what I advised against, I don't believe the restriction is as onerous as you are implying.
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Originally Posted by phltraveler
(Post 30071396)
Isn't that accounted for here?:
Legacy Programs Lifetime Elite Status Criteria: In addition to earning Lifetime Elite Status on the above criteria, through December 31, 2018, Members can earn Lifetime Elite Status under their Legacy Program requirements listed below.
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Originally Posted by UA-NYC
(Post 30069995)
Main reason to change it - since points are no longer a criterion for LT status, one could easily just do 5 meetings a year for $250, get your annual status, and one more year towards LT...lather, rinse, repeat
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Originally Posted by CJKatl
(Post 30071433)
You are looking at the section on earning elite status in the new program. Here is the section on mapping from the old to the new program and SPG mapping to LTPP is missing; it only has Marriott mapping, so it does not incorporate the change.
The merged program considers all years at status (Plat or higher) and all nights combined between MR & SPG. The original program rules explained on members.marriott.com for the combined program only had the new LTS/LTG/LTP criteria, the Marriott mappings from the legacy criteria (old MR LTS -> new LTS, old MR LTG -> new LTP, old MR LTP -> new LTPP) and the SPG mappings from their legacy criteria (old SPG LTG -> new LTG, old SPG LTP -> new LTP). The way in which the SPG elites got a "bite of the apple" (in the sense of being able to reach grandfathered new LTPP) was to add the rule of 750 nights + 10 years at Plat, under which the existing years of old SPG Plat would be counted. That is what made them eligible. So that's included in the earlier section. There was no legacy lifetime rank above platinum in SPG, hence no legacy qualification criteria for LTPP in that section of the merged program T&C. It's just when the loyalty program merges, it will calculate any SPG account that has 750 years + 10 years at the plat level and that will be grandfathered to LTPP if achieved before EOY 2018. |
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Originally Posted by CJKatl
(Post 30071433)
You are looking at the section on earning elite status in the new program. Here is the section on mapping from the old to the new program and SPG mapping to LTPP is missing; it only has Marriott mapping, so it does not incorporate the change.
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I suspect you got it here: www.renaissance-minsk.by/rewards/terms.mi The page has since been changed and the google cache of it is incomplete. |
Originally Posted by phltraveler
(Post 30071456)
The way in which the SPG elites got a "bite of the apple" (in the sense of being able to reach grandfathered new LTPP) was to add the rule of 750 nights + 10 years at Plat, under which the existing years of old SPG Plat would be counted. That is what made them eligible.
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