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RogerD408 Aug 17, 2018 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by MasterGeek (Post 30094817)
create multiple accounts, do one meeting on each for 10 elite nights, merge accounts.

From what I read, this is not going to be needed and I expect the 10 nights to come with each contract as the terms state. Creating multiple accounts is against the T&Cs and can jeopardize all accounts isn't worth the risk. I'd hate to see MPG become another AA with a staff to go after the rule breakers.

MasterGeek Aug 17, 2018 2:56 pm


Originally Posted by jeanie (Post 30095057)
Marriott is making it harder to access elite levels, not FlyerTalk!

Some people who earn their elite status the hard way (paid butt in mattress stays) have the DYKWIA disease and would prefer that less people have access to elite status for less competion on upgrades, availability and smoked salmon in the lounge. That might motivate them to try to snitch to Marriott or steer people away from the tricks to achieve easy elite status.

C17PSGR Aug 17, 2018 6:15 pm


Originally Posted by MasterGeek (Post 30095069)
Some people who earn their elite status the hard way (paid butt in mattress stays) have the DYKWIA disease and would prefer that less people have access to elite status for less competion on upgrades, availability and smoked salmon in the lounge. That might motivate them to try to snitch to Marriott or steer people away from the tricks to achieve easy elite status.

I earn elite status the hard way -- I'll break 100 actual paid nights by the middle of next week. And, yes, I would prefer that fewer people compete on upgrade availability since I'm spending 125-150 nights a year in Starriott property. There's not that many domestic lounges with smoked salmon and I'm happy to share although there are a couple of places where people sneaking in gets really obnoxious and there is no place to sit -- particularly in LA and NYC.

And while I disagree with BHRubin on certain things, he is certainly not trying to steer people away from tricks to achieve easy elite status or threatening to snitch! Creating multiple accounts and combining them ... (a) seems like a lot of work for a few nights -- are you going to create 5 accounts and then try to merge them! and (b) almost certainly seems like the equivalent of one of the bad bank robber disguises -- don't you think someone from Marriott would notice you are combining multiple accounts with 10 night rewarding event postings!

sdsearch Aug 17, 2018 10:40 pm


Originally Posted by MasterGeek (Post 30094817)
create multiple accounts, do one meeting on each for 10 elite nights, merge accounts.

Creating multiple Marriott accounts (especially for reasons of getting something you shouldn't) was in violation of the T&Cs of Marriott pre-Aug-18. Is it no longer a violation of the post-Aug-18 T&Cs? :confused:

xar Aug 18, 2018 3:02 am

On hindsight, does this mean that it was possible to get LTP in the new program simply by going thru 5 meetings per year over a period of 7 years (since the points don't matter anymore)

dsquared37 Aug 18, 2018 3:24 am


Originally Posted by xar (Post 30096475)
On hindsight, does this mean that it was possible to get LTP in the new program simply by going thru 5 meetings per year over a period of 7 years (since the points don't matter anymore)

Under what rubric would 350 nights and 7 years of status earn LTP?

Hint: none.

xar Aug 18, 2018 3:47 am


Originally Posted by dsquared37 (Post 30096501)
Under what rubric would 350 nights and 7 years of status earn LTP?

Hint: none.

What i'm trying to say is that hypothetically, holding "Gold" for 7 years would mean i have accumulated 350 "nights" and "Gold" status for 7 years. (Throw in additional 5 meetings to get another + 50 nights so that overall lifetime nights becomes 400)
In the current program, LTG will not be possible since there will be a shortfall in MR points but these points becomes irrelevant in the new program.
  • LIFETIME GOLD ELITE

    400 Lifetime Nights + 7 Years Gold Elite Status or Higher
  • Points Never Expire
  • All Gold Elite benefits

dsquared37 Aug 18, 2018 3:56 am


Originally Posted by xar (Post 30096475)
On hindsight, does this mean that it was possible to get LTP in the new program simply by going thru 5 meetings per year over a period of 7 years (since the points don't matter anymore)


Originally Posted by xar (Post 30096542)
What i'm trying to say is that hypothetically, holding "Gold" for 7 years would mean i have accumulated 350 "nights" and "Gold" status for 7 years. (Throw in additional 5 meetings to get another + 50 nights so that overall lifetime nights becomes 400)
In the current program, LTG will not be possible since there will be a shortfall in MR points but these points becomes irrelevant in the new program.
  • LIFETIME GOLD ELITE

    400 Lifetime Nights + 7 Years Gold Elite Status or Higher
  • Points Never Expire
  • All Gold Elite benefits

Your first query was about LTP, P, as in Platinum.

phltraveler Aug 18, 2018 6:31 am

The new SPG.com/Marriott.com is coming up in pages. A lot of pages are technically present, with most of their content missing at this point.

This link will likely work for the merged program T&C at some point later today:
https://www.marriott.com/loyalty/terms/default.mi

EDIT: The link now works.

Diff (comparison) of the leaked T&C vs. the one now on the website, to see how "final" the leak was:
https://www.diffchecker.com/r5ygGBWv

Most difference I see thus far is minor language changes ("by contacting" -> "contact") or just differences in spacing, but there may be others throughout the document.
Left side is the leaked, right side is the current T&C.

EDIT: After going through the diff rapidly, I see no changes of substance, but let me know if I missed anything.
Section 5.8 for further ambassador benefits is still mentioned upwards in the T&C, but absent on the www.marriott.com site T&C.


Originally Posted by dsquared37 (Post 30096561)
Your first query was about LTP, P, as in Platinum.

I've seen some posters get confused and think that if they qualify on the merged new LTG criteria (400 nights + 7 years at gold [25 nights or higher]), they will have the LTG in 2018 upgraded to LTP in 2019.
That doesn't apply if you qualify off the new LTG criteria in MR (the 400 nights + 7 years), but only the old criteria (500 nights + 1.6M points). The old MR LTG criteria (50 night level) will become LTP if achieved before the end of 2018.

dsquared37 Aug 18, 2018 7:10 am


Originally Posted by phltraveler (Post 30096808)

I've seen some posters get confused and think that if they qualify on the merged new LTG criteria (400 nights + 7 years at gold [25 nights or higher]), they will have the LTG in 2018 upgraded to LTP in 2019.
That doesn't apply if you qualify off the new LTG criteria in MR (the 400 nights + 7 years), but only the old criteria (500 nights + 1.6M points). The old MR LTG criteria (50 night level) will become LTP if achieved before the end of 2018.

Yeah, you're likely correct about this. It seems to be occurring because 1) Marriott kept the same tier names (for the time being at least) and 2) members more recent to the forums might be straining to assess all the info quickly and accurately.

OssianBlue Aug 18, 2018 7:36 am


Originally Posted by phltraveler (Post 30096808)
The new SPG.com/Marriott.com is coming up in pages. A lot of pages are technically present, with most of their content missing at this point.

This link will likely work for the merged program T&C at some point later today:
https://www.marriott.com/loyalty/terms/default.mi

EDIT: The link now works.

Diff (comparison) of the leaked T&C vs. the one now on the website, to see how "final" the leak was:
https://www.diffchecker.com/r5ygGBWv

Most difference I see thus far is minor language changes ("by contacting" -> "contact") or just differences in spacing, but there may be others throughout the document.
Left side is the leaked, right side is the current T&C.

EDIT: After going through the diff rapidly, I see no changes of substance, but let me know if I missed anything.
Section 5.8 for further ambassador benefits is still mentioned upwards in the T&C, but absent on the www.marriott.com site T&C.



I've seen some posters get confused and think that if they qualify on the merged new LTG criteria (400 nights + 7 years at gold [25 nights or higher]), they will have the LTG in 2018 upgraded to LTP in 2019.
That doesn't apply if you qualify off the new LTG criteria in MR (the 400 nights + 7 years), but only the old criteria (500 nights + 1.6M points). The old MR LTG criteria (50 night level) will become LTP if achieved before the end of 2018.

Look at lines 848-880 on new version on welcome gifts and reservation guarantee compensation. Have these been diminished?

SeahawksNYC Aug 18, 2018 8:07 am

Double Marriott Points incentive
 
I have a couple of events coming up this fall with contracts executed earlier this year. Some of them say “double Marriott rewards points” while others simply state “100,000 Marriott rewards points.”

Any insight in how the doubling will be applied? I will transfer over to PPE so should earn the full 105,000. Will it double to 210,000?

yerffej201 Aug 18, 2018 11:18 am

i mean, create multiple accounts at your own risk. all this conjecture... is just conjecture

WorldPalmHand Aug 18, 2018 11:18 am


Originally Posted by RogerD408 (Post 30095061)
From what I read, this is not going to be needed and I expect the 10 nights to come with each contract as the terms state. Creating multiple accounts is against the T&Cs and can jeopardize all accounts isn't worth the risk. I'd hate to see MPG become another AA with a staff to go after the rule breakers.

If so I see it as a "win-win" for both sides. From the Marriott side, you are gaining revenue from these meeting rooms that would more often than not just sit there if there was no incentive to book them. And there's not much of an operating cost by Marriott when they are used. While this in turn causes Marriott to reward more members, they are doing so in gaining those customers' loyalty.

RogerD408 Aug 18, 2018 11:37 am


Originally Posted by WorldPalmHand (Post 30097561)
If so I see it as a "win-win" for both sides. From the Marriott side, you are gaining revenue from these meeting rooms that would more often than not just sit there if there was no incentive to book them. And there's not much of an operating cost by Marriott when they are used. While this in turn causes Marriott to reward more members, they are doing so in gaining those customers' loyalty.

Yes, I agree, allowing members to get credit for 10 nights for each event is a win-win. Mostly those that have status are against it to keep the crowds small, but that's normal. We will have to wait and see if practice continues as it has or if they are really shutting down the perk. I just don't see much draw for meeting planners if they will only get 10 nights when they do multiple events during the year, after all meeting planner is not an annual gig in my book.


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