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Originally Posted by M.dA.R.
(Post 30071485)
Good catch @phltraveler. Congrats. I suspect you got it here: www.renaissance-minsk.by/rewards/terms.mi The page has since been changed and the google cache of it is incomplete. |
Originally Posted by CJKatl
(Post 30071486)
OK, so if you read it that SPG members are not mapped to LTPP but instead qualify under the new rules that could make sense, but we still are not sure if this is the final or a draft and if it is a draft, from when.
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5.3.d. Elite Night Credit. Members who hold Qualifying Events at Participating Properties also receive ten (10) Elite Night Credits for their first Qualifying Event, and then earn one (1) Elite Night Credit for every twenty (20) rooms booked and actualized, up to a maximum of twenty (20) Elite Night Credits per contract. The program will issue 10 MPG nights per event AND 1 MPG night per 20 guest rooms (with a limit of 400 rooms) per contract! So if you sign a contract for a five-day event with, say 20 rooms, then you are entitled to 11 night credit. It's funny how having all the facts can change one's opinion. But then this is FT, who needs facts? |
Originally Posted by RogerD408
(Post 30071564)
Thank you phltraveler. As I read this clause:
5.3.d. Elite Night Credit. Members who hold Qualifying Events at Participating Properties also receive ten (10) Elite Night Credits for their first Qualifying Event, and then earn one (1) Elite Night Credit for every twenty (20) rooms booked and actualized, up to a maximum of twenty (20) Elite Night Credits per contract. The program will issue 10 MPG nights per event AND 1 MPG night per 20 guest rooms (with a limit of 400 rooms) per contract! So if you sign a contract for a five-day event with, say 20 rooms, then you are entitled to 11 night credit. It's funny how having all the facts can change one's opinion. But then this is FT, who needs facts?1) The first meeting (or event/group room booking) alone earns the 10 nights off the bat 2) Every meeting, whether the first or subsequent, is eligible to earn 1 elite night for every 20 related group room booking nights, up to a maximum of 20 elite nights ( 20 elite nights * 20 room nights required per elite night = 400 room nights related to the meeting/event) However, others may interpret it differently, and the new T&Cs are around 25,000 words long so... encourage people to read it on their own as well. |
Originally Posted by phltraveler
(Post 30071577)
As I read it, and the other sections (like 4.2.a.iv) that apply to Rewarding Events, my interpretation is that
1) The first meeting (or event/group room booking) alone earns the 10 nights off the bat 2) Every meeting, whether the first or subsequent, is eligible to earn 1 elite night for every 20 related group room booking nights, up to a maximum of 20 elite nights ( 20 elite nights * 20 room nights required per elite night = 400 room nights related to the meeting/event) However, others may interpret it differently, and the new T&Cs are around 25,000 words long so... encourage people to read it on their own as well. |
Originally Posted by phltraveler
(Post 30071577)
As I read it, and the other sections (like 4.2.a.iv) that apply to Rewarding Events, my interpretation is that
1) The first meeting (or event/group room booking) alone earns the 10 nights off the bat 2) Every meeting, whether the first or subsequent, is eligible to earn 1 elite night for every 20 related group room booking nights, up to a maximum of 20 elite nights ( 20 elite nights * 20 room nights required per elite night = 400 room nights related to the meeting/event) However, others may interpret it differently, and the new T&Cs are around 25,000 words long so... encourage people to read it on their own as well. |
Confirmation bias is a real problem for way too many people. It rears its ugly head again here. |
Originally Posted by RogerD408
(Post 30071564)
Thank you phltraveler. As I read this clause:
5.3.d. Elite Night Credit. Members who hold Qualifying Events at Participating Properties also receive ten (10) Elite Night Credits for their first Qualifying Event, and then earn one (1) Elite Night Credit for every twenty (20) rooms booked and actualized, up to a maximum of twenty (20) Elite Night Credits per contract. The program will issue 10 MPG nights per event AND 1 MPG night per 20 guest rooms (with a limit of 400 rooms) per contract! So if you sign a contract for a five-day event with, say 20 rooms, then you are entitled to 11 night credit. It's funny how having all the facts can change one's opinion. But then this is FT, who needs facts?Yep, for your FIRST event such as you describe, you'd get 11 elite nights. But for second and beyond events such as you describe, you'd only get 1 elite night. |
Originally Posted by bhrubin
(Post 30071840)
Confirmation bias is a problem again here.
Yep, for your FIRST event such as you describe, you'd get 11 elite nights. But for second and beyond events such as you describe, you'd only get 1 elite night. |
Originally Posted by bhrubin
(Post 30071840)
Confirmation bias is a problem again here.
Yep, for your FIRST event such as you describe, you'd get 11 elite nights. But for second and beyond events such as you describe, you'd only get 1 elite night. |
Originally Posted by RogerD408
(Post 30071861)
Keep reading, it does say per contract and not lifetime, year, quarter, or MPG whim. They had the ability to put whatever they wanted and chose that phrase. A lot of things can be very different if you play CSR and stop when you feel you can say no. I see that in many places (hotels, airlines, and others) and have stood my ground until they read the entire passage when they surprisingly agree. I guess we will just have to see how it shakes out and either MPG will clarify the terms by removing the "per contract" phrase and replace it with something different.
It's pretty obvious and straightforward. You can continue to argue the point, but I'm afraid that is entirely confirmation bias. |
Originally Posted by bhrubin
(Post 30071917)
You seem to ignore the comma. Also, further spelled out in the later terms:
Your confirmation bias doesn't want to accept that the first quoted terms indicates THEN per contract. Your confirmation bias now is confronted again by THEREAFTER per contract. You want it to be per contract to get the 10 elite nights for each event, but it's abundantly clear that it's 10 elite nights ONLY for your FIRST contract, and then you earn only 1 elite night for every 20 rooms consumed THEREAFTER. It's pretty obvious and straightforward. You can continue to argue the point, but I'm afraid that is entirely confirmation bias. <disengaging> |
Originally Posted by bhrubin
(Post 30071917)
You seem to ignore the comma. Also, further spelled out in the later terms:
Your confirmation bias doesn't want to accept that the first quoted terms indicates THEN per contract. Your confirmation bias now is confronted again by THEREAFTER per contract. You want it to be per contract to get the 10 elite nights for each event, but it's abundantly clear that it's 10 elite nights ONLY for your FIRST contract, and then you earn only 1 elite night for every 20 rooms consumed THEREAFTER. It's pretty obvious and straightforward. You can continue to argue the point, but I'm afraid that is entirely confirmation bias. i think using the word “first” seems to imply “only” but because it doesn’t say only it’s not clear. I would interpret what’s before the “thereafter” as referring to the meeting as a whole, and what’s after the thereafter to be referring to the corresponding rooms. |
Originally Posted by GoPhils
(Post 30071992)
i think using the word “first” seems to imply “only” but because it doesn’t say only it’s not clear. I would interpret what’s before the “thereafter” as referring to the meeting as a whole, and what’s after the thereafter to be referring to the corresponding rooms. I'm 99% sure given the elimination of rollover, the $3k spend/elite night from the new Chase card, and the addition of the SPG Pro style earn on 20 room booking nights = 1 elite night for planner, that Marriott is much, much more likely to have written that in the "only" sense for ten elite nights for first meeting, but we'll find out in a week or so. |
First meeting of the membership year? Or first meeting that the member organised? |
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