Last edit by: bhrubin
As of February 2019 this hotel no longer offers club lounge access to Marriott Platinum and higher guests, even if upgraded to a room category which would otherwise offer lounge access, so lounge access mentioned in older reviews would no longer apply.
The hotel also no longer participates in Suite Night Awards.
Breakfast offering for Platinum and higher is in restaurant, buffet plus made to order eggs.
Expert Review from May 2018 posted to the Luxury Hotels Forum: “Stunning hard product with great concierge and service”
https://www.flyertalk.com/hotel-revi...d-service-2620
The hotel also no longer participates in Suite Night Awards.
Breakfast offering for Platinum and higher is in restaurant, buffet plus made to order eggs.
Expert Review from May 2018 posted to the Luxury Hotels Forum: “Stunning hard product with great concierge and service”
https://www.flyertalk.com/hotel-revi...d-service-2620
The Prince Gallery Tokyo Kioicho, Japan, LC [Master Thread]
#691
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It's still moderately offensive they upcharge for a la carte items. Most top tier Asia properties give full access to the breakfast menu. Combining that with denial of lounge access (even if they have a good reason for that) just comes across as cheap and anti-elite.
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It's 1k JPY. So $9 US.
It's still moderately offensive they upcharge for a la carte items. Most top tier Asia properties give full access to the breakfast menu. Combining that with denial of lounge access (even if they have a good reason for that) just comes across as cheap and anti-elite.
It's still moderately offensive they upcharge for a la carte items. Most top tier Asia properties give full access to the breakfast menu. Combining that with denial of lounge access (even if they have a good reason for that) just comes across as cheap and anti-elite.
#693
It's 1k JPY. So $9 US.
It's still moderately offensive they upcharge for a la carte items. Most top tier Asia properties give full access to the breakfast menu. Combining that with denial of lounge access (even if they have a good reason for that) just comes across as cheap and anti-elite.
It's still moderately offensive they upcharge for a la carte items. Most top tier Asia properties give full access to the breakfast menu. Combining that with denial of lounge access (even if they have a good reason for that) just comes across as cheap and anti-elite.
I've never understood this because it isn't even much different than the buffet's Japanese menu assortment.
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At $9 I find it reasonable. Of course, as an elite "travel hacker" I love free stuff… but $9 for a step up to a Japanese breakfast (which is an experience) is not unreasonable and I'd have probably done it at least once.
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I would pay it too. But look at the loyalty a property like SGS generates by being generous rather than nickel and diming elites.
#696
PH Tokyo doesn't charge Globalists any extra for room service AND Japanese breakfast. I wouldn't stay there due to another service issue but that is true generosity and elites recognition.
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I would rather they not nickel and dime elites but given the quality, it's not a big ask. Taking away the lounge is a big negative though.
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I stayed here last month and there weren't issues with the lounge being full. Once or twice I couldn't get my preferred seating type (sofa in back versus by the window versus large tables versus small tables near buffet) but even though the hotel was full (and not selling rooms on the Starriott website), the lounge wasn't full.
I wonder whether the hotel has started to sell relatively inexpensive lounge access to locals. This seems to be done at some hotels in Kora, so maybe this place in Japan is copying the idea. They could have a lounge surcharge on regular room bookings (not just suites and room categories that include the lounge) that's priced low enough to attract too many people.
If a lounge told me that they would call me to come back later, I would have reminded them at least once, perhaps about twenty minutes before the scheduled time for F&B to be taken away. If this still didn't work, I would go to the lounge then and insist an either taking food before it went away or some service gesture like appetizers and drinks in the hotel restaurant or bar of my choice (not some horrid all day dining spot) or from room service becasue presumably by then I had spent time waiting in my room for the call. However, in the case of the PG, the lounge is particularly attractive and better views than some of the rooms, so one would still be losing by having happy hour in one's own room.
I wonder whether the hotel has started to sell relatively inexpensive lounge access to locals. This seems to be done at some hotels in Kora, so maybe this place in Japan is copying the idea. They could have a lounge surcharge on regular room bookings (not just suites and room categories that include the lounge) that's priced low enough to attract too many people.
If a lounge told me that they would call me to come back later, I would have reminded them at least once, perhaps about twenty minutes before the scheduled time for F&B to be taken away. If this still didn't work, I would go to the lounge then and insist an either taking food before it went away or some service gesture like appetizers and drinks in the hotel restaurant or bar of my choice (not some horrid all day dining spot) or from room service becasue presumably by then I had spent time waiting in my room for the call. However, in the case of the PG, the lounge is particularly attractive and better views than some of the rooms, so one would still be losing by having happy hour in one's own room.
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I've always found Hyatts in general to be more generous than Starriotts. I'm still amazed that the Andaz 5th Ave in NYC (in NYC! with terrible hotels! in the USA, which generally has lousy service) lets you order as much as you want for breakfast, with zero limitations (other than excluding booze), and through room service if you want. I've had some absurdly extravagant breakfasts there!
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I've always found Hyatts in general to be more generous than Starriotts. I'm still amazed that the Andaz 5th Ave in NYC (in NYC! with terrible hotels! in the USA, which generally has lousy service) lets you order as much as you want for breakfast, with zero limitations (other than excluding booze), and through room service if you want. I've had some absurdly extravagant breakfasts there!
Value of continual repeat business of happy customer seeking more extravagant breakfasts, and telling all their friends? Priceless
#701
I've always found Hyatts in general to be more generous than Starriotts. I'm still amazed that the Andaz 5th Ave in NYC (in NYC! with terrible hotels! in the USA, which generally has lousy service) lets you order as much as you want for breakfast, with zero limitations (other than excluding booze), and through room service if you want. I've had some absurdly extravagant breakfasts there!
It's like Prince Gallery Kioicho suddenly realized they had carte blanche to nickel and dime their own elites and suffer very few, if any, consequences. This hotel should be debranded and should just become Seibu Prince blah blah. I actually liked this as the only pure luxury SPG choice and I'm saddened it's been Bonvoyed.
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If it attract enough Elites I am sure the P&L of this is positive ...
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Certainly, this is an example of building loyalty being smart business. I keep returning to the Andaz 5th, and have spent more nights here than any other hotel in the world. (And happy about it!)
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The hotel confirmed to me by email that Marriott forced them to remove lounge access for Platinums as it wasn't compliant with Bonvoy program rules..... if true that's a disgrace. Why can't hotels offer more than the minimum?
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While I agree that Hyatt's breakfast benefit is usually better, that's otherwise not correct. Andaz 5 imposes a cap on Globalist breakfast. IIRC correctly it was $75 per room last time I was there, and they charged us for going over. If they didn't charge you, that was an unusual exception.