Originally Posted by MasterCharge
(Post 23479914)
I ordered twice a month, 10K each so the most each month for me was 20K.
Yes and also tracking the actual VGC's you bought. It does not matter if you use multiple cards because they can still associate you with the purchase, i.e EIN, DL#, Level 3 Data, etc. I do one order a month of $10k - I will keep you updated if it gets killed. That doesn't sound so much for a business - are you doing one BB or several? I tend to do my SGC over 4 BB's and several other cards |
Originally Posted by kingrat
(Post 23480618)
Good to know - Thanks.
I do one order a month of $10k - I will keep you updated if it gets killed. That doesn't sound so much for a business - are you doing one BB or several? I tend to do my SGC over 4 BB's and several other cards |
Originally Posted by milaohu
(Post 23476196)
Why am I not allowed to buy $500 online?
Buying $495 is ok, but $500 is not. I was able to place an order of $500 + fee online after several tries yesterday. Not able to repeat that today -- limited to $495 + fee |
Originally Posted by PortlySpartacus
(Post 23479501)
So is Blackhawk tracking this by the specific CC you use to purchase the SMGC? If so, and you make personal purchases (not business account), why not just use a different card each month.
If you "hit it hard" with one personal card and then load to a BB load then wouldn't Blackhawk just be shutting down your ability to purchase again with that one personal card? Then the next month, move on to a different personal card....I know this strategy doesn't work for the professional MS folks but I really only need the ability to get 2-3K onto a personal card for a given 1-2 month period, then move on to another personal card to meet the new minimum spend. What do you all think....does Blackhawk only track by the card and not the individual? I would assume so.... |
Once a pin is set they have a good idea of where it us headed,
That said, I am having no problems at the service desk... When I do, I will not take it personal. I have used it to move SPG to VISA..1.25 AA Miles, with real spend. United Club Card 1.5 miles...with real spend.. |
Originally Posted by Churnman
(Post 23485923)
Others have answered in part, but I'll add. Many locations are now also making customers fill out paperwork for personal orders over $500 and Blackhawk can track you just like corporate buyers. It's not only the cc you use, but your name that you put on the form with your ss which is then associated with the purchased GCs.
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Originally Posted by ocdb8r
(Post 23486136)
I think I missed it, who else is getting asked to fill forms for as little as $500? I went back through the post-Blackhawk posts and nearly all seem to be referencing corporate accounts. I can't imagine tracking orders that low is particularly efficient.
Computers make this exceptionally easy. If you've ever dealt with POS systems and SQL (and maybe an XML converter depending on the software) its really easy to identify purchasers even without real id. You need two rules for the staff - any personal order over x, and if over x, check the last 4 of the card against this list. Heck, if all the data was fed centrally, you could write a script to fax the list of the last 4 to each location using their site specific history. Wouldn't take more than a day to write tops. What I really wonder is if Simon expected to lose all this business? Assuming BH gave them a better deal, did they realize they'd have much less revenue with those better deal terms, or do they not read these forums (like BH does?). The data on this must be fascinating. I wonder who's getting the bonuses at BH for preventing this type of behavior? |
It's much more likely that they run a nightly job, and pull out questionable purchases that may run afoul of banking laws. Anything identified gets automatically added to the black list in the POS.
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I have a hard time believing Simon is going to want their employees in the mall to "police" who can and can't buy giftcards simply at the say so of Blackhawk when Blackhawk deems them unprofitable, a manufactured spender, or not using them as intended. I understand this can easily be done behind the scenes via the POS upon checkout, but what's it going to say "transaction not approved/customer not profitable." It can lead to some awkward confrontions to say the least on property.
I mean who knows maybe they are getting enough revenue from the partnership where this policing by their employees will be worthwhile, but (and I really hope not) I see them much more likely to implement a daily purchase limit to the point where it'd wead out most MS and also require an ID scan at the time of purchase to track like CVS. |
I have to fill form to buy one $500 and the lady on the counter said over $300 needs to file form. I bought 1k before with no form. I wonder this is something new or just depend on the person on the customer service.
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What are you doing only buying one ;)
Originally Posted by Sam2014
(Post 23486719)
I have to fill form to buy one $500 and the lady on the counter said over $300 needs to file form. I bought 1k before with no form. I wonder this is something new or just depend on the person on the customer service.
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Originally Posted by Sam2014
(Post 23486719)
just depend on the person on the customer service.
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Originally Posted by StephenW
(Post 23486865)
This. Lots of inconsistency at the Simon I frequent.
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I don't do any big time MS. Most of the Simon spending is only to meet minimum spending for credit card bonuses. I feel like it is a waste of gas and time to go to a mall just to buy one or two 500's.
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Originally Posted by Volodath
(Post 23486353)
Computers make this exceptionally easy. If you've ever dealt with POS systems and SQL (and maybe an XML converter depending on the software) its really easy to identify purchasers even without real id. You need two rules for the staff - any personal order over x, and if over x, check the last 4 of the card against this list. Heck, if all the data was fed centrally, you could write a script to fax the list of the last 4 to each location using their site specific history. Wouldn't take more than a day to write tops.
What I really wonder is if Simon expected to lose all this business? Assuming BH gave them a better deal, did they realize they'd have much less revenue with those better deal terms, or do they not read these forums (like BH does?). The data on this must be fascinating. I wonder who's getting the bonuses at BH for preventing this type of behavior? |
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