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hamokmonky Apr 21, 2014 8:25 am


Originally Posted by toxicity (Post 22736075)
So long story short, be prepared to make a last minute payment from your bank account if the Evolve WF pmts don't make it, are mis-classified as principle, etc...

I'm going to try this on May 1st. Will be a pain w/ 5 different $500 payments but we'll see what happens

Ive never had a problem with my wells fargo payments. Worse case scenario is if they dont all show up at the same time and they go towards principal you can call them and have them fix it. A pain yes, but still workable. That said in the last 3 months Ive not had a problem with mine going towards the payment.

StartinSanDiego Apr 21, 2014 8:31 am


Originally Posted by toxicity (Post 22736075)
So long story short, be prepared to make a last minute payment from your bank account if the Evolve WF pmts don't make it, are mis-classified as principle, etc...

This could end up being a phone-in nightmare. My mortgage is a minimum 10 minutes on hold for pretty much any reason. I'm not willing to chance something as important as my mortgage to this. So I"m only using evolve for extra principal payments-- my regular payments are ACHed out of my bank account, same as always, but I'm taking a little boost in points by kicking in a few extra bucks when I can. It's going very smoothly this way.

In my calculations, a 500 extra principal payment that cost 5.95, is nearly paying for itself the first two months in reduced interest owed. Over the course of my loan (18 years to go), that 500 bucks, amortized over nearly 2 decades, would cost me between 250-400 in interest charges.

Yes, I've been reading Mr. Money Mustache lately!

ericeirc Apr 21, 2014 8:42 am

My lessons learned is if you have multiple 500$ payment, try to make it 497,498,499,500, etc. In this way you will know which payment is not arrived.
In my case, as I have 4 $500 payment, and 3 of them arrived, I have to call evolvemoney and let them check all the 4 payments:(

toxicity Apr 21, 2014 8:59 am


Originally Posted by StartinSanDiego (Post 22736154)
This could end up being a phone-in nightmare. My mortgage is a minimum 10 minutes on hold for pretty much any reason. I'm not willing to chance something as important as my mortgage to this. So I"m only using evolve for extra principle payments-- my regular payments are ACHed out of my bank account, same as always, but I'm taking a little boost in points by kicking in a few extra bucks when I can. It's going very smoothly this way.

In my calculations, a 500 extra principle payment that cost 5.95, is nearly paying for itself the very first month in reduced interest owed. Over the course of my loan (18 years to go), that 500 bucks, amortized over nearly 2 decades, would cost me between 250-400 in interest charges.

Yes, I've been reading Mr. Money Mustache lately!

What are you chancing? The worst case in the scenario is that you get extra principle applied instead of covering the payment.

For example, my payment isn't considered late until the 18th of the month. I try 5x $500 through evolve on May 1st. If something gets screwed up, there is a lot of time to fix it.

StartinSanDiego Apr 21, 2014 9:24 am


Originally Posted by toxicity (Post 22736272)
What are you chancing? The worst case in the scenario is that you get extra principle applied instead of covering the payment.

For example, my payment isn't considered late until the 18th of the month. I try 5x $500 through evolve on May 1st. If something gets screwed up, there is a lot of time to fix it.

If you give yourself time to fix it, as you have, then you aren't chancing anything. If the expectation is that you will have to monitor the payment's progress, and possibly to get on the phone to sort out multiple payments, then I think that's realistic. Like a lot of MS, it takes an investment of time to make sure it goes smoothly.

If the expectation is that random multiple GC payments made on different dates will post correctly without a hitch... well, I think that's iffy, as the posts above indicate. It seems that some do, some don't. If you wait till the due or late date, and it doesn't post correctly, then you are taking the risk that you will pay a late fee.

All of which could likely be sorted out over the phone, but, once again, it will take time and effort. Mortgage companies can put your money in an impound account, apply it to principle, etc. Perhaps as the mortgage company payments get seasoned via evolve payment methods, it will go more smoothly without intervention.

glocklt4 Apr 21, 2014 9:25 am

Just wanted to add a few comments here for the Evolve Money people.

Evolve Money is awesome and I hope for continued great success for you. Hopefully there are good enough profits for you to sustain this model very long term. Being able to pay bills easily with giftcards/debit/other reloadables is excellent (and hopefully mastercard/US bank gets fixed soon). Your product has given us the incentive to pay down our mortgage and car loan faster than planned since we are able to do so with gift cards purchased for spending requirements, on discount, for bonus miles, etc... Really great all around!

Their responsiveness over email is very timely and they seem to be listening to their customers well too. Looking forward to the ability to schedule payments and some of the other features possibly coming soon.

Good job ^!

StartinSanDiego Apr 21, 2014 9:29 am


Originally Posted by glocklt4 (Post 22736390)
Just wanted to add a few comments here for the Evolve Money people.

Evolve Money is awesome and I hope for continued great success for you. H Your product has given us the incentive to pay down our mortgage and car loan faster than planned since we are able to do so with gift cards purchased for spending requirements, on discount, for bonus miles, etc... Really great all around!


Good job ^!

Well said! Thank you!

AveApostle Apr 21, 2014 10:57 am


Originally Posted by ericeirc (Post 22735911)
I set up 3 evolve money accounts

While I, for one, applaud your ingenuity, just be careful, because CaptainMiles (THEE CaptainMiles? I hear you asking /mock gasp) and happy9zz (not the real Happy, mind you; that would mean something) want you to know that you are probably greedy and will ruin it for everyone.

(Don't worry, you won't really, and I hope you wouldn't care what trolls/haters say either : )

AscorbylPalmitate Apr 21, 2014 4:30 pm


Originally Posted by glocklt4 (Post 22736390)
Just wanted to add a few comments here for the Evolve Money people.

Evolve Money is awesome and I hope for continued great success for you. Hopefully there are good enough profits for you to sustain this model very long term. Being able to pay bills easily with giftcards/debit/other reloadables is excellent (and hopefully mastercard/US bank gets fixed soon). Your product has given us the incentive to pay down our mortgage and car loan faster than planned since we are able to do so with gift cards purchased for spending requirements, on discount, for bonus miles, etc... Really great all around!

Their responsiveness over email is very timely and they seem to be listening to their customers well too. Looking forward to the ability to schedule payments and some of the other features possibly coming soon.

Good job ^!

i don't know their business model, but i assume it is like GrubHub i.e. funded with venture capital money to grow a large user base, and then valued at some made up new metric by the investment bankers who want to take it public, followed by public investors who lose money when the insiders cash out once it goes public. although the last time i read about GrubHub, it was 50% above IPO value.....

disclosure: what do i know, i'm just a CPA specializing in international tax.

glocklt4 Apr 21, 2014 4:58 pm


Originally Posted by AscorbylPalmitate (Post 22738526)
i don't know their business model, but i assume it is like GrubHub i.e. funded with venture capital money to grow a large user base, and then valued at some made up new metric by the investment bankers who want to take it public, followed by public investors who lose money when the insiders cash out once it goes public. although the last time i read about GrubHub, it was 50% above IPO value.....

disclosure: what do i know, i'm just a CPA specializing in international tax.

haha yeah, well I know several have analyzed it here and said the model doesn't make sense, but maybe, just MAYBE it will work out well enough to actually do some good for us like it is now.

exarkun Apr 21, 2014 5:01 pm


Originally Posted by AscorbylPalmitate (Post 22738526)
i don't know their business model, but i assume it is like GrubHub i.e. funded with venture capital money to grow a large user base, and then valued at some made up new metric by the investment bankers who want to take it public, followed by public investors who lose money when the insiders cash out once it goes public. although the last time i read about GrubHub, it was 50% above IPO value.....

disclosure: what do i know, i'm just a CPA specializing in international tax.

I would guess not this, since it is run be precash.

AscorbylPalmitate Apr 21, 2014 7:03 pm


Originally Posted by exarkun (Post 22738667)
I would guess not this, since it is run be precash.

:confused::confused:

THE LSE Apr 21, 2014 7:22 pm

Go Bank VISA debit card
 
Can I use my Go Bank VISA debit card to make Evolve Money payments? If so, is there any downside?

22calbr Apr 21, 2014 7:35 pm


Originally Posted by THE LSE (Post 22739201)
Can I use my Go Bank VISA debit card to make Evolve Money payments? If so, is there any downside?

Yes. Evolve may steal your maney, but that hasn't been confirmed yet.

NYBanker Apr 21, 2014 7:57 pm


Originally Posted by StartinSanDiego (Post 22736154)
This could end up being a phone-in nightmare. My mortgage is a minimum 10 minutes on hold for pretty much any reason. I'm not willing to chance something as important as my mortgage to this. So I"m only using evolve for extra principle payments-- my regular payments are ACHed out of my bank account, same as always, but I'm taking a little boost in points by kicking in a few extra bucks when I can. It's going very smoothly this way.

In my calculations, a 500 extra principle payment that cost 5.95, is nearly paying for itself the very first month in reduced interest owed. Over the course of my loan (18 years to go), that 500 bucks, amortized over nearly 2 decades, would cost me between 250-400 in interest charges.

Yes, I've been reading Mr. Money Mustache lately!

You might consider paying principal instead of principle.

As to your math of a $500 payment saving you $5.95 (over 1% of the payment amount!) in the first month on interest, you either have a 12%+ mortgage or need to sharpen your pencil and check both your math and spelling.


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