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This is ARCHIVE WEEK #1 (8 - 14 March UTC) of older posts from the original thread, MH 370 KUL-PEK Missing: now Search and Recovery [PLEASE SEE WIKI].
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MH 370 KUL-PEK Missing: 8 - 14 Mar 2014 UTC - ARCHIVE WEEK #1
Mar 8, 2014, 5:00 pm
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Mar 8, 2014, 5:01 pm
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This could indicate that (as some posters have mentioned) stolen European documents are regularly used for travel in Asia, or there is some corruption going on. If there is no corruption, then I wonder if Asian countries will begin stepping up checks for document discrepancies, etc.
Mar 8, 2014, 5:01 pm
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To be honest, at this point, everything is baseless, and therefore everything is equal. We have no evidence of hull damage or of mechanical failure or of terrorism or of a missile strike, etc-. The only evidence we have right now is a missing plane.
To wave a way a potential cause does not seem prudent, imo, despite whether people think it is outlandish or not. Everything is still on the table until we know more.
To wave a way a potential cause does not seem prudent, imo, despite whether people think it is outlandish or not. Everything is still on the table until we know more.
Mar 8, 2014, 5:04 pm
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First post here so be kind please. Let me also say that my heart truly goes out to all those affected by this tragedy
I am a pilot, flight instructor, and even worked for some time as an ASI (Air Safety Investigator) for the NTSB - only for light aircraft. So I am somewhat familiar with accident investigation also.
Normally the autopilot would be engaged before reaching cruising altitude (typically < 10,000 ft.) and set to maintain a specific airspeed and climb rate until cruise altitude when it would automatically level off and maintain another preset airspeed and altitude. This is not always the case but generally true.
So what you mention is unlikely. Even in the event the autopilot was incorrectly set, it would automatically disengage as the aircraft approached stall before the stick shaker and stick pusher activated to alert the crew keep the aircraft flying safely. I don't have a B777 type rating so I can't speak to the specific procedures for that aircraft but this is how a normal transport category plane operates.
If they had even ignored and overridden these two safety systems (which is contrary to any normal procedure or emergency situation I can imagine) , there would likely have been plenty of time to recover and should never had led to such a sudden catastrophic event as MH370 experienced.
I am a pilot, flight instructor, and even worked for some time as an ASI (Air Safety Investigator) for the NTSB - only for light aircraft. So I am somewhat familiar with accident investigation also.
Normally the autopilot would be engaged before reaching cruising altitude (typically < 10,000 ft.) and set to maintain a specific airspeed and climb rate until cruise altitude when it would automatically level off and maintain another preset airspeed and altitude. This is not always the case but generally true.
So what you mention is unlikely. Even in the event the autopilot was incorrectly set, it would automatically disengage as the aircraft approached stall before the stick shaker and stick pusher activated to alert the crew keep the aircraft flying safely. I don't have a B777 type rating so I can't speak to the specific procedures for that aircraft but this is how a normal transport category plane operates.
If they had even ignored and overridden these two safety systems (which is contrary to any normal procedure or emergency situation I can imagine) , there would likely have been plenty of time to recover and should never had led to such a sudden catastrophic event as MH370 experienced.
i think people all too often associate an aircraft stalling with 'we're doomed.' as you point out, recovery from a stall is i daresay easy with enough altitude buffer. stall tests are an integral part of aircraft certification, and the plane is designed so that absent pilot inputs, the plane should recover on its own.
Mar 8, 2014, 5:05 pm
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Indeed, welcome. Thanks for the informative post, and keep 'em coming ^
Seems this one did.
Local news (DFW / DAL) has this as lead story on 6 o'clock news with passenger's mother giving a quick statement.
Local news (DFW / DAL) has this as lead story on 6 o'clock news with passenger's mother giving a quick statement.
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Mar 8, 2014, 5:12 pm
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I am not sure why people are so averse to the possibility of the people using the stolen passports were a possible causes of this issue, but the BBC reported that China has stepped up their security at airports, so it appears they are at least considering it as well...
Mar 8, 2014, 5:19 pm
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Top headlines in the media should be focusing on the whereabouts of the plane, any possible survivors, etc.
Then worry about what went wrong, who did what, etc.
This is an IBB, we're just having a conversation, we're not reporters or investigators.
Then worry about what went wrong, who did what, etc.
This is an IBB, we're just having a conversation, we're not reporters or investigators.
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Mar 8, 2014, 5:26 pm
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Indeed. The Telegraph article also notes that Freescale Semiconductor (spun out of Motorola a decade ago) had twenty employees (of 23,000 worldwide) on the flight. Wikipedia's article on Freescale already reflects this.
Mar 8, 2014, 5:31 pm
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New Straits Times has an article about the SAR efforts underway.
http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general...r-way-1.503442
It's interesting (though not surprising) that US Pacific Command is involved, although I hope the paper misspoke when it said that "...United States Pacific Command has a flotilla of warships and aircraft carriers scouring the Pacific Ocean in search of the Boeing 777-200ERs." It'd have to be really off course to wind up in the Pacific.
http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general...r-way-1.503442
It's interesting (though not surprising) that US Pacific Command is involved, although I hope the paper misspoke when it said that "...United States Pacific Command has a flotilla of warships and aircraft carriers scouring the Pacific Ocean in search of the Boeing 777-200ERs." It'd have to be really off course to wind up in the Pacific.
Last edited by DanTravels; Mar 8, 2014 at 6:04 pm Reason: Corrected name of paper - thanks yosithezet!
Mar 8, 2014, 5:33 pm
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Pilot: I established contact with plane
A BOEING 777 pilot, who was flying 30 minutes ahead of the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft, said he established contact with MH370 minutes after he was asked to do so by Vietnamese air traffic control.
The captain, who asked to not be named, said his plane, which was bound for Narita, Japan, was far into Vietnamese airspace when he was asked to relay, using his plane's emergency frequency, to MH370 for the latter to establish its position, as the authorities could not contact the aircraft.
"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace. The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot. There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end."
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The captain, who asked to not be named, said his plane, which was bound for Narita, Japan, was far into Vietnamese airspace when he was asked to relay, using his plane's emergency frequency, to MH370 for the latter to establish its position, as the authorities could not contact the aircraft.
"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace. The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot. There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end."
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Mar 8, 2014, 5:34 pm
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AUSTIN, Texas, Mar 08, 2014 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Freescale Semiconductor FSL -0.09% has confirmed that 20 of its employees were confirmed passengers on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fre...k=MW_news_stmp
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fre...k=MW_news_stmp
Mar 8, 2014, 5:36 pm
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A BOEING 777 pilot, who was flying 30 minutes ahead of the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft, said he established contact with MH370 minutes after he was asked to do so by Vietnamese air traffic control.
The captain, who asked to not be named, said his plane, which was bound for Narita, Japan, was far into Vietnamese airspace when he was asked to relay, using his plane's emergency frequency, to MH370 for the latter to establish its position, as the authorities could not contact the aircraft.
"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace. The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot. There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end."
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The captain, who asked to not be named, said his plane, which was bound for Narita, Japan, was far into Vietnamese airspace when he was asked to relay, using his plane's emergency frequency, to MH370 for the latter to establish its position, as the authorities could not contact the aircraft.
"We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace. The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot. There were a lot of interference... static... but I heard mumbling from the other end."
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Last edited by SmokeyTheBear; Mar 8, 2014 at 5:38 pm Reason: disclaimer for my ignorance
Mar 8, 2014, 5:36 pm
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First post here so be kind please. Let me also say that my heart truly goes out to all those affected by this tragedy
I am a pilot, flight instructor, and even worked for some time as an ASI (Air Safety Investigator) for the NTSB - only for light aircraft. So I am somewhat familiar with accident investigation also.
Normally the autopilot would be engaged before reaching cruising altitude (typically < 10,000 ft.) and set to maintain a specific airspeed and climb rate until cruise altitude when it would automatically level off and maintain another preset airspeed and altitude. This is not always the case but generally true.
So what you mention is unlikely. Even in the event the autopilot was incorrectly set, it would automatically disengage as the aircraft approached stall before the stick shaker and stick pusher activated to alert the crew keep the aircraft flying safely. I don't have a B777 type rating so I can't speak to the specific procedures for that aircraft but this is how a normal transport category plane operates.
If they had even ignored and overridden these two safety systems (which is contrary to any normal procedure or emergency situation I can imagine) , there would likely have been plenty of time to recover and should never had led to such a sudden catastrophic event as MH370 experienced.
I am a pilot, flight instructor, and even worked for some time as an ASI (Air Safety Investigator) for the NTSB - only for light aircraft. So I am somewhat familiar with accident investigation also.
Normally the autopilot would be engaged before reaching cruising altitude (typically < 10,000 ft.) and set to maintain a specific airspeed and climb rate until cruise altitude when it would automatically level off and maintain another preset airspeed and altitude. This is not always the case but generally true.
So what you mention is unlikely. Even in the event the autopilot was incorrectly set, it would automatically disengage as the aircraft approached stall before the stick shaker and stick pusher activated to alert the crew keep the aircraft flying safely. I don't have a B777 type rating so I can't speak to the specific procedures for that aircraft but this is how a normal transport category plane operates.
If they had even ignored and overridden these two safety systems (which is contrary to any normal procedure or emergency situation I can imagine) , there would likely have been plenty of time to recover and should never had led to such a sudden catastrophic event as MH370 experienced.
Mar 8, 2014, 5:39 pm
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FIRs in the area
They could easily have been in SIN controlled airspace for part of the flight. It disappeared somewhere near the handover between Thai, Malaysian, Singapore and Vietnam airspace
They could easily have been in SIN controlled airspace for part of the flight. It disappeared somewhere near the handover between Thai, Malaysian, Singapore and Vietnam airspace
Mar 8, 2014, 5:43 pm
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Straits Times has an article about the SAR efforts underway.
http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general...r-way-1.503442
http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general...r-way-1.503442
Last edited by yosithezet; Mar 8, 2014 at 5:49 pm