Originally Posted by cornwall4000 (Post 35484558)

Of course summer is dead in NYC compared to fall or the holidays. I just wouldn't necessarily expect to see base rates at 1/3 to 1/2 of what they were at open. Even during summer. Not coming out of covid, with a brand new Aman opening to much press/fanfare - the kind of hotel NY has never seen! - in an international city.
Can't say how much the SAG/aftra strike effects travel to NYC. It certainly must, but maybe not like L.A.

I see rates over Columbus Day, mid December, etc still well below open rates. I guess I'm just surprised to see....... availability. At this point, anyway, after rates have clearly made a sizable adjustment. It's not 20 keys or anything, but it's also far from a 'large' hotel. Not a single date is sold out. First week in Dec seems to be the only time without a base-rate room available.
Impossible for me to know what the break-even data is, and I'm very much rooting for it to succeed.
Just find it somewhat surprising.

Originally Posted by Michaeljinnyc (Post 35695515)

How is the Pierre compared to hotels like the St. Regis and the Pen?

Originally Posted by Tonyr4 (Post 35695645)

The Pierre and the Carlyle are both a little worn and need freshened up, the St Regis & Peninsula are both much better in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Michaeljinnyc (Post 35695813)

The Carlyle is definitely not worn out as its just renovated last year by Tony Chi. IMO too comtemporary for its own sake. Prices also skyrocketed after the refurb.

The main draw about the Pierre is its good price, service and location.

Can you elaborate about the St. Regis? As I’m looking to redeem my points for a stay there but I am under the impression of it being run-down and having lousy breakfast

Originally Posted by Tonyr4 (Post 35695848)

Maybe the rooms look good, the lobby area of the Carlyle is untouched and tired. I was just there for lunch at Dowlings within that hotel a few months ago. The Mark across the street is a much better choice to stay at if you want to be on the Upper East Side.

The price and location of the Pierre is great but again unless the rooms have been recently refurbished it's tired too, although the lobby area is nicer than the Carlyle and the restaurant Avra which is next door is great.

The St Regis is in a prime location, has a beautiful lobby, and the rooms have been refreshed. It is not run down at all. Astor Court is so so which is where you have breakfast and afternoon tea, the King Cole for a night cap is awesome plus you have the Polo Bar right directly across the street for dinner. I would use points and stay there.

Originally Posted by Michaeljinnyc (Post 35697245)

The Mark looks fabulous, but $1,400 a night for a base room...?

Originally Posted by KatW (Post 35697260)

Well, these days …

Originally Posted by Michaeljinnyc (Post 35697264)

I remember a time when the Four Seasons Downtown was $525 a night.

And that was only six years ago

Originally Posted by Michaeljinnyc (Post 35697245)

The Mark looks fabulous, but $1,400 a night for a base room...?

Originally Posted by Valveking (Post 35840622)

We are going to be back in New York in a few weeks and want to try something new. I am looking at the Whitby and the Baccarat. Does anyone have any recent experience at either of these? They both look great, but in wildly different styles.

Originally Posted by Valveking (Post 35842385)

Thank you. That is what we are going to do. Rooms look a little small, but the public spaces look gorgeous.