Jun 5, 2014, 1:13 pm
Last edit by: oliver2002
Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Code:
DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22 FRA LH TO LH FRA-FRA FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM LH BUS - ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH - TRN 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH BR - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH EG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ET - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH IN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH JP - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH QA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH TH - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH US - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ZA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH - US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH KJR - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KWQ - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QDU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKL - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH ZWS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KLT BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH SDA BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH 0400-0799 - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH Y- TRN 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KJR Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KWQ Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QDU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKL Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH ZWS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KLT BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH SDA BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH CA- ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH AC- TRN ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH PL LO- ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH PL LO- SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 TRN -LH ---- 0100 0100 0100 -LH BR ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH EG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ET ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH IN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH JP ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH QA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH SG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ZA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TLV ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRN -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH -LH BUS 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH TRN -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH TRS -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRN INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC BUS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRN -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH SC BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SC TRN -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRN -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH XER BUS -LH SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH TLV ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRN -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 SG ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 ZA ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC TRS -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH BUS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH Y-LH BUS ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH AC-LH TRN ---- ---- 0200 ---- LH US UA-LH ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH UA-LH BY ---- ---- ---- INV LH EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0100 -LH AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 -LH PL LO ---- 0100 ---- ---- -LH BR OS ---- 0100 ---- ---- SC -LH PL LO ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 LH BUS -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH BY -LH UA ---- ---- ---- INV LH QDU -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH QKL -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH ZWS -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH LG-LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH LG ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH AT OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
Connecting in Frankfurt [FRA] 2009-2023 (retired)
Jul 20, 2019, 3:55 pm
#5386
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LH917/LH772 - often late from Heathrow
I’ve noticed the LH917 (18:30 from Heathrow, scheduled arrival 21:00) is often late into FRA. I have a one hour connection onto the LH772 to Bangkok at 22:00 which is usually showing as departed on time.
Is this connection normally okay? I have the option to change to the 17:30 departure from Heathrow for a fee but will keep the booking as it is unless it’s likely I’ll miss the connection. From the wiki it looks like I don’t need to clear Security again if I am arriving from Heathrow so I am assuming it’s just a walk from the incoming to the departing gate?
Jul 20, 2019, 5:03 pm
#5387
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I’ve noticed the LH917 (18:30 from Heathrow, scheduled arrival 21:00) is often late into FRA. I have a one hour connection onto the LH772 to Bangkok at 22:00 which is usually showing as departed on time.
Is this connection normally okay? I have the option to change to the 17:30 departure from Heathrow for a fee but will keep the booking as it is unless it’s likely I’ll miss the connection. From the wiki it looks likely e I don’t need to clear Security again if I am arriving from Heathrow so I am assuming it’s just a walk from the incoming to the departing gate?
Is this connection normally okay? I have the option to change to the 17:30 departure from Heathrow for a fee but will keep the booking as it is unless it’s likely I’ll miss the connection. From the wiki it looks likely e I don’t need to clear Security again if I am arriving from Heathrow so I am assuming it’s just a walk from the incoming to the departing gate?
I wouldn’t book a one hour connection to a longhaul flight in FRA if I can avoid it. Whether you should pay a change fee to travel on an earlier flight from LHR depends on how essential it is for you to arrive in BKK as scheduled.
Jul 20, 2019, 5:15 pm
#5388
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Arrivals from Heathrow or any UK airport should not need to re-clear security in FRA but in reality it depends on your arrival and departure gates on the day. The BKK flight almost always departs from a B gate, which means you will have to clear transfer security unless your flight from LHR arrives at a B gate and you can enter B departures on arrival as reported by chris63 a few days ago. Unless things have changed recently arrivals at B gates enter the terminal on the arrival level and you have to re-clear security even if you are departing from another B gate. If LH917 arrives at a Z gate as it did a few days ago you will have to take the Skyline train to B and clear transfer security or go through passport control twice (into A Schengen, through the tunnel and through another passport control into B) to avoid transfer security.
I wouldn’t book a one hour connection to a longhaul flight in FRA if I can avoid it. Whether you should pay a change fee to travel on an earlier flight from LHR depends on how essential it is for you to arrive in BKK as scheduled.
I wouldn’t book a one hour connection to a longhaul flight in FRA if I can avoid it. Whether you should pay a change fee to travel on an earlier flight from LHR depends on how essential it is for you to arrive in BKK as scheduled.
Jul 21, 2019, 1:06 am
#5389
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Thank you for your reply. No rush to arrive in Bangkok I guess so I’m happy to leave the booking as it is. Presumably LH would handle any missed connection in the normal way - including a rerouting on another *A carrier if this is possible? I’m *A Gold with SQ if that helps anything. Just checking my options should I need to think quickly on arrival. I’ll pack a light carry-on and try to secure a seat towards the front to help my chances!
Jul 21, 2019, 2:19 am
#5390
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We made it. AMS FRA DFW
We made the turn even though we parked at the Hardstand that was surly the furthest from the terminal
Steady fast walk, fairly fast passport check. Gate Z22 No additional security check. We had our doubts but made it about the middle of boarding 👍😊
Steady fast walk, fairly fast passport check. Gate Z22 No additional security check. We had our doubts but made it about the middle of boarding 👍😊
Last edited by DaggerPilot; Jul 21, 2019 at 2:21 am Reason: Add gate
Jul 21, 2019, 2:45 am
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Good to hear you made the connection. Thanks for reporting back. ^
Jul 24, 2019, 8:43 am
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Thank you for your reply. No rush to arrive in Bangkok I guess so I’m happy to leave the booking as it is. Presumably LH would handle any missed connection in the normal way - including a rerouting on another *A carrier if this is possible? I’m *A Gold with SQ if that helps anything. Just checking my options should I need to think quickly on arrival. I’ll pack a light carry-on and try to secure a seat towards the front to help my chances!
So it's a good idea to travel armed with any alternative routing that might suit you. Bangkok should be quite easy: Buenos Aires wasn't
Jul 24, 2019, 9:48 am
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FYI: Additional security lanes have been introduced for Terminal A in FRA as of today.
Jul 27, 2019, 3:51 pm
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I usually see plenty of security lanes, the problem being half of them are closed, particulary atathe security when you come up the stairs from the bus arrival gates
Jul 27, 2019, 11:25 pm
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If they were all open & fully staffed there would be no problems, that’s the issue in B transfer security lots of lanes not open
Jul 31, 2019, 12:54 pm
#5396
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Either I don't know how to read the MCT table (very likely) or my connection isn't legal (though bought on a single LH ticket - by corporate travel agent not me). I thought the MCT was 60 minutes (which is exactly my connection) but the table seems to say 100 minutes.
I'm flying CAI-FRA (on LH) and connecting to GVA (on LX). Connection time is 60 minutes exactly. The FRA-GVA is the last flight of the day. The CAI-FRA flight seems to bounce between C and Z gates (at least the last few days, which is all I've looked at). The flight to GVA seems to always be out of A gates. I know that I'll have to clear passport control (I don't have an EU passport, though I can use diplomatic lanes (though I don't recall ever seeing any at FRA)) and security. I don't have checked luggage. I will be in business (so one of the first off plane and first bus, if we end up at a bus gate).
First - is this legal? And, if so, can someone help show me how to tell that from the MCT table? I assume it is (even though the table confuses).
Second - Guesses on my chances of making it? My only flight options, so I'm stuck with it, even if the chance are no good. I've got nothing to do the next day, so spending the night in Frankfurt isn't the end of the world.
I'm flying CAI-FRA (on LH) and connecting to GVA (on LX). Connection time is 60 minutes exactly. The FRA-GVA is the last flight of the day. The CAI-FRA flight seems to bounce between C and Z gates (at least the last few days, which is all I've looked at). The flight to GVA seems to always be out of A gates. I know that I'll have to clear passport control (I don't have an EU passport, though I can use diplomatic lanes (though I don't recall ever seeing any at FRA)) and security. I don't have checked luggage. I will be in business (so one of the first off plane and first bus, if we end up at a bus gate).
First - is this legal? And, if so, can someone help show me how to tell that from the MCT table? I assume it is (even though the table confuses).
Second - Guesses on my chances of making it? My only flight options, so I'm stuck with it, even if the chance are no good. I've got nothing to do the next day, so spending the night in Frankfurt isn't the end of the world.
Jul 31, 2019, 1:12 pm
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Either I don't know how to read the MCT table (very likely) or my connection isn't legal (though bought on a single LH ticket - by corporate travel agent not me). I thought the MCT was 60 minutes (which is exactly my connection) but the table seems to say 100 minutes.
I'm flying CAI-FRA (on LH) and connecting to GVA (on LX). Connection time is 60 minutes exactly. The FRA-GVA is the last flight of the day. The CAI-FRA flight seems to bounce between C and Z gates (at least the last few days, which is all I've looked at). The flight to GVA seems to always be out of A gates. I know that I'll have to clear passport control (I don't have an EU passport, though I can use diplomatic lanes (though I don't recall ever seeing any at FRA)) and security. I don't have checked luggage. I will be in business (so one of the first off plane and first bus, if we end up at a bus gate).
First - is this legal? And, if so, can someone help show me how to tell that from the MCT table? I assume it is (even though the table confuses).
Second - Guesses on my chances of making it? My only flight options, so I'm stuck with it, even if the chance are no good. I've got nothing to do the next day, so spending the night in Frankfurt isn't the end of the world.
I'm flying CAI-FRA (on LH) and connecting to GVA (on LX). Connection time is 60 minutes exactly. The FRA-GVA is the last flight of the day. The CAI-FRA flight seems to bounce between C and Z gates (at least the last few days, which is all I've looked at). The flight to GVA seems to always be out of A gates. I know that I'll have to clear passport control (I don't have an EU passport, though I can use diplomatic lanes (though I don't recall ever seeing any at FRA)) and security. I don't have checked luggage. I will be in business (so one of the first off plane and first bus, if we end up at a bus gate).
First - is this legal? And, if so, can someone help show me how to tell that from the MCT table? I assume it is (even though the table confuses).
Second - Guesses on my chances of making it? My only flight options, so I'm stuck with it, even if the chance are no good. I've got nothing to do the next day, so spending the night in Frankfurt isn't the end of the world.
Aug 5, 2019, 10:45 am
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Not sure if this has been answered earlier, but would appreciate if someone can answer this. I have amassed enough miles and points that Mrs. TFR and I can fly one way on LH F on our next trip to India from states. We have two options, IAH-FRA-DEL on F or fly from East coast to Munich on F and then to DEL in J. My only question is, if I fly via FRA, which FCL lounge would I be able to access? Since I have an Indian passport, going to FCL A and FCT is not possible. LH441 generally arrives at Z concourse and LH760 departs from Concourse C. However, in the last few days LH760 has been departing from concourse Z as well.
In any case, I am assuming that a limousine transfer is not going to happen. Would it then make sense to transit via Munich, even if it means that MUC-DEL would be in J.
Cheers,
TFR
In any case, I am assuming that a limousine transfer is not going to happen. Would it then make sense to transit via Munich, even if it means that MUC-DEL would be in J.
Cheers,
TFR
Aug 5, 2019, 11:21 am
#5400
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Not sure if this has been answered earlier, but would appreciate if someone can answer this. I have amassed enough miles and points that Mrs. TFR and I can fly one way on LH F on our next trip to India from states. We have two options, IAH-FRA-DEL on F or fly from East coast to Munich on F and then to DEL in J. My only question is, if I fly via FRA, which FCL lounge would I be able to access? Since I have an Indian passport, going to FCL A and FCT is not possible. LH441 generally arrives at Z concourse and LH760 departs from Concourse C. However, in the last few days LH760 has been departing from concourse Z as well.
In any case, I am assuming that a limousine transfer is not going to happen. Would it then make sense to transit via Munich, even if it means that MUC-DEL would be in J.
Cheers,
TFR
In any case, I am assuming that a limousine transfer is not going to happen. Would it then make sense to transit via Munich, even if it means that MUC-DEL would be in J.
Cheers,
TFR
Edited to add: You’ll have to walk to your departure gate from the FCL B if your flight departs from a B gate but looking at recent records it seems unlikely.
Last edited by NewbieRunner; Aug 5, 2019 at 1:07 pm