LOT Polish looking for 60 A220 to replace Embraer fleet
May 14, 2024, 1:37 am
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LO is currently riding the tigh market and enjoying decent revenues becuase the market is generally high priced. The structural problems similar to AZ/TP/SK remain. They don't have the financial strength to buy any new aircraft in the same way they decided to swap their B767s with B787 in the 2000s. LO has being a Boeing fan since the 70s and 80s. In the 2000s the decision was clearly political and probably tied to a number of defense orders that came as part of Poland joining NATO. The B787 is a fine aircraft and matches the mission profile of LOs longhaul operations. The fleet was inducted in the early 2010s and since LO had to ground the fleet in the 2013 dreamburner fiasco they probably got some good discount on the later B789 options.
May 14, 2024, 5:46 am
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It was actually an understatement. They were never contemporaries at this stage, not even close. The technological leap with those first Boeing 767 deliveries was enormous, a complete game-changer.
Getting back to the recent efforts to replace some of their Embraer fleet, I too would prefer to see LOT switch to Airbus in what would be a long-term move away from Boeing. Eventually I think A350s should replace the 787 fleet and likewise all 737s should be phased out as well. But a good place to start would be the A220.
As a lot of these decisions are political I'm surprised Airbus isn't wooing the gov't with the possibility of participating in the aircraft's production in some way (or maybe they are?).
Getting back to the recent efforts to replace some of their Embraer fleet, I too would prefer to see LOT switch to Airbus in what would be a long-term move away from Boeing. Eventually I think A350s should replace the 787 fleet and likewise all 737s should be phased out as well. But a good place to start would be the A220.
As a lot of these decisions are political I'm surprised Airbus isn't wooing the gov't with the possibility of participating in the aircraft's production in some way (or maybe they are?).
If you said what was available was obsolete, I would tend to agree. But backwards isn't right.
May 14, 2024, 9:06 am
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LO is currently riding the tigh market and enjoying decent revenues becuase the market is generally high priced. The structural problems similar to AZ/TP/SK remain. They don't have the financial strength to buy any new aircraft in the same way they decided to swap their B767s with B787 in the 2000s. LO has being a Boeing fan since the 70s and 80s. In the 2000s the decision was clearly political and probably tied to a number of defense orders that came as part of Poland joining NATO. The B787 is a fine aircraft and matches the mission profile of LOs longhaul operations. The fleet was inducted in the early 2010s and since LO had to ground the fleet in the 2013 dreamburner fiasco they probably got some good discount on the later B789 options.
I remember the fiasco with grounded 787s - being the "first to fly" in Europe certainly backfired for LOT and that distinction, well... simply stopped being one. Airbus, on the other hand, had a successful launch of its A380. I recall being on the inaugural flight from Europe and it was quite an experience.
It would have been a same jump from 727s and VC10s to 767s. The airplanes were not backwards, the issue was in lack of Russian alternatives and longer product lifecycle (essentially the whole 757/767/MD-80 generation was skipped by Soviet designers).
If you said what was available was obsolete, I would tend to agree. But backwards isn't right.
If you said what was available was obsolete, I would tend to agree. But backwards isn't right.