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The programme will now change from 1 January 2022 (postponed again and it will not start before 2023)
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
New qualifying points system for status from 2024
#61
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: London | Sydney
Programs: LH HON, QF CL, SQ TPPS, AF Plat, VS Gold, VA Plat, EK Gold, HH Diamond, WoH Globalist, Marriott Plat
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Interesting. So YTD I have 340K HON Circle Miles.
Under the new system from the news article above, I would have 1410 QP.
I do still have another F trip coming, plus European trips.
With my flying pattern I would still comfortably qualify HON, but probably not over-qualify by as much as I do now (I'll finish this 2 year period with >850K HON miles, same as last time).
Under the new system from the news article above, I would have 1410 QP.
I do still have another F trip coming, plus European trips.
With my flying pattern I would still comfortably qualify HON, but probably not over-qualify by as much as I do now (I'll finish this 2 year period with >850K HON miles, same as last time).
#62
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, India based airlines, India, External Miles & Points Resources
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
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#63
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: PVG, FRA, SEA, HEL
Programs: UA Premier Gold
Posts: 4,783
Wait till "K,L,T" excluded
LH frequent flyer instructing them not to book K, L, T. But in Concur it might be even not possible to see the fare class.
#64
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: London, Paris
Programs: LH HON, AF Platinum
Posts: 2,001
I'm just not sure that the behaviors they're trying to discourage meaningfully (if at all) offset revenue loss/gain the behaviors the new system is designed to encourage. From what I can tell, it seems more easily manipulable than previously.
Maybe simplification really was the goal (assuming the fine print/T&Cs arent over 5 pages long)...
Maybe simplification really was the goal (assuming the fine print/T&Cs arent over 5 pages long)...
#66
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,481
The question is, which status benefits will get lost - 2021 and later. Especially the HON in 2021 could be a different - less attractive - status than the HON is now. Same for the SEN. That is a consequence of quantity over quality.
#68
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: BRU
Programs: LH HON**
Posts: 384
I’d be curious to hear how they foresee that the total status population & its tier spread will change with this.
- Fewer status holders would sound contradicting to wanting more loyal customers.
- Same number of status holders would mean either aiming for a different profile of travelers, or change for change’s sake.
- More status holders and some locations (lounges) will become even more overcrowded than today.
#69
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: BTS/VIE
Programs: LH MM**, HH Silver
Posts: 2,282
While flying to FRA to attend this event I just did the math on how much my 97800 SM this year would have been in the new Handelsblatt system: 255 P and about 245 QP, so I just about make SEN for the same amount of money & flying. Yes there are good P & A deals out there, but not everyone flies to KBP to fly a cheap fare.
Wonder what the impact on FCL/FCT population numbers will be...
#70
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Yes, will need to spend 12k each year. No more adultery every alternate year.
#71
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: GVA,OPO
Programs: BD the last decent FFP
Posts: 1,856
I’d be curious to hear how they foresee that the total status population & its tier spread will change with this.
- Fewer status holders would sound contradicting to wanting more loyal customers.
- Same number of status holders would mean either aiming for a different profile of travelers, or change for change’s sake.
- More status holders and some locations (lounges) will become even more overcrowded than today.
What do they expect to happen with this change and what type of customer behavior, are they thinking, it will drive?
#72
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More status holders and some locations (lounges) will become even more overcrowded than today.
#73
Join Date: Sep 2015
Programs: A3*G,BA Silver
Posts: 2,012
Although I am quite skeptical with the changes they might want to attract more people to M & M programme. It’s not secret that you can get easily gold with BA and within Star Alliance with Aegean and Turkish. It wouldn’t surprise me if you need to spend 5k to become senator. You need much less to become Gold with BA or another star alliance carrier. Last, unfortunately we have seen lately that LH is following BA path when it comes to extra charges such as selection of seats in PE or downgrade the food in both PE and Y. Let’s wait and see.
#74
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,754
https://www.flyingblue.de/en/programme#xp
Flying Blue gives Gold for 280 pts, and Platinum for 580 pts (when starting from zero - to re-qualify is less).
#75
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: London, Paris
Programs: LH HON, AF Platinum
Posts: 2,001
I'm sitting bored in the La Premiere lounge. Someone give me news on this please.