M&M going revenue based [for award miles on LH group tickets] 12MAR2018
Dec 13, 2017, 10:49 am
#106
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A practical question:
I buy a ticket from Lufthansa and according to the schedule I fly different airlines on one ticket:
FRA-SIN on Lufthansa, SIN-AKL on Singapore Airlines, AKL-BKK on Thai Airways, BKK-VIE and VIE-FRA on Austrian Airlines.
Being a status LH member, according to the new rules, I need to know exactly how much each flight leg costs, because LH and OS flights are multiplied by 6 for status members, whereas SQ and TG flights are multiplied by 5. Is it possible to check how much each flight with its relevant taxes makes up the total price of the ticket before I actually buy it? I've never seen Lufthansa breaking the price like that. It's only the grand total. How will we know the accrual of the award miles is correct?
I buy a ticket from Lufthansa and according to the schedule I fly different airlines on one ticket:
FRA-SIN on Lufthansa, SIN-AKL on Singapore Airlines, AKL-BKK on Thai Airways, BKK-VIE and VIE-FRA on Austrian Airlines.
Being a status LH member, according to the new rules, I need to know exactly how much each flight leg costs, because LH and OS flights are multiplied by 6 for status members, whereas SQ and TG flights are multiplied by 5. Is it possible to check how much each flight with its relevant taxes makes up the total price of the ticket before I actually buy it? I've never seen Lufthansa breaking the price like that. It's only the grand total. How will we know the accrual of the award miles is correct?
Last edited by andywaw; Dec 13, 2017 at 11:03 am
Dec 13, 2017, 11:31 am
#107
Join Date: Mar 2008
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I imagine when booking on LH.com the total number of award miles might be shown. If booking via any other channels (or if LH IT is at it's usual 5* service...) then you'll know when the flights post to your M&M account.
I think for the American programs there used to be a way to track the revenue distribution for flights via some convoluted way but not even sure if this may be applicable to M&M.
I think for the American programs there used to be a way to track the revenue distribution for flights via some convoluted way but not even sure if this may be applicable to M&M.
Dec 13, 2017, 11:44 am
#108
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The whole trip should give me 10,126 status/award miles including executive bonus which is quite a bargain. Under the new system I will only get 3,292 miles if all flights are on LH Group airlines - the reason why I'm curious to know what will happen if the same ticket was bought after 12.3.18.
Dec 13, 2017, 2:24 pm
#109
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I think it is exactly for that reason that this change was made. Getting 65k miles after spending EUR4200 is unsustainable. It was great while it lasted but we can't seriously expect that this will continue.
Dec 14, 2017, 1:48 am
#110
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It will be interesting to see how they deal with missing last segments. MXP-FRA-JFK-FRA-MXP at € 3000. If you miss FRA-MXP ist the € 3000 still used or do they apply a lower value, and if yes how much?
Dec 14, 2017, 1:49 am
#111
Join Date: Nov 2016
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Please let me know if my analysis is correct on how this WOULD have effected my award miles if this ticket were booked after the transition date:
Frequent Traveler status
P ticket
Ticket cost (without taxes and fees) = $4581
Miles = 8062
Old System gives me 8062 award miles
New System gives me (4581)*6 = 27486
That is difficult for me to believe that I would get 3x more award miles with this change, but if I correctly understand the rules, that would be the case. Does it look correct to you?
Frequent Traveler status
P ticket
Ticket cost (without taxes and fees) = $4581
Miles = 8062
Old System gives me 8062 award miles
New System gives me (4581)*6 = 27486
That is difficult for me to believe that I would get 3x more award miles with this change, but if I correctly understand the rules, that would be the case. Does it look correct to you?
Dec 14, 2017, 5:46 am
#112
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LH will allocate a value to each segment. (It will be a guessing game, just like SQ PPS value determination)
Dec 14, 2017, 10:25 am
#113
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Usually that amount of money is a Z fare, but for some reason everything in January is highly priced. I took the P because it was 4k less than the Z
Dec 15, 2017, 7:10 am
#115
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Then your math is wrong since Z awards 12k miles without bonus and 14k with bonus. If your P costs 4.5k then that was incredibly overpriced since A/F has been around 6k.
Dec 15, 2017, 7:44 am
#116
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Dec 16, 2017, 7:00 am
#117
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However LH/M&M only informed me & my SEN partner today, 15 th December so how is it 3 Months to 12th March ?
Why are M&M so desperate ? Why not make this change effective from 01January to 31st March 18 ?
Dec 19, 2017, 2:20 pm
#118
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I'm not clear on what you would get if you book a LH flight on 220 stock, then credit to another airline (UA). I haven't seen any info on the UA side of this - they still show the old % based system still with no note about changes coming in March. I would think that they would change the UA earnings on 220 tickets. UA already makes the miles on 016 tickets revenue based.
Dec 19, 2017, 11:18 pm
#119
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I'm not clear on what you would get if you book a LH flight on 220 stock, then credit to another airline (UA). I haven't seen any info on the UA side of this - they still show the old % based system still with no note about changes coming in March. I would think that they would change the UA earnings on 220 tickets. UA already makes the miles on 016 tickets revenue based.
Dec 20, 2017, 12:58 pm
#120
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