Rambuster

It's also always humorous to see the sense of entitlement internet users develop.

htb

Sometimes yes, but mostly it just makes me shake my head seeing how little good will could have been a win-win for both sides instead of a lose-lose "just because one can".

HTB.

rcs85551

Stuff like this happens every day with pretty much any major airline, not just LOT.

If passengers are deemed unfit to fly, then there is usually a reason for the crew's decision to do so. Procedures do call for the removal of a passenger to be documented by the Crew, so there will very likely be some paperwork that has the reason documented.

With regards to this particular case, with the LX flight being on a different operating airline and the flight being already overbooked, odds are extremely high that LX would not have accepted an involuntary reroute onto their metal even if LOT had gone out of their way to accomodate the passenger (which, to the best of my knowledge, they had no obligation to).

However, that being said, it is customary with most airlines to offer the respective passenger an involuntary reroute at no charge on the next available flight on the same operating carrier. So as a gesture of goodwill, LOT should have offered him a seat on their next flight to ZRH the next day.

I sincerely hope that the OP has learned a lesson from this to possibly reduce the alcohol intake on his future trips.

weero

Are you talking about removing an unfit passenger from a plane or the airline cheating its way out the transportation agreement?

The former should happen, the latter is an EU oddity based on the lack of powerful punitive damage legislation here. Two or three very large fines would even have a large carrier honour tickets.
Crews justifying their actions .. how is that evidence?
It seems some posters know more than the text here presents.

Calling the OP a liar immediately and repeatedly a liar is an achievement even for the plane spotter forum. Try this with someone who provides "insider information" or praise and the reaction will be fairly different.

IAN-UK

I hold no particular brief for the OP, but if you base your comments on the tale he presents - rather than the traduced version it has grown into - you might suggest he walk rather than run to the departure gate.

Not only is it a more dignified form of locomotion, it could help avoid the barf moment on arrival at the aircraft (never a good introduction to cabin crew).

Lack

I mentioned it earlier in the thread. Didn't end up well for the drunkard, but I'm not sure if his long term memory even registered the event - sadly w/o bankrupting a guy for emergency landing costs and such, the fines for just unruly behavior are even lower then airlines IDB compensation AFAIK.

My experience with UA is quite the opposite. I was once even offered a bottle of bubbly to take home after I used my yearly drink-chit allowance for fellow pax.

Probably thats why Europe is moving to PIN-based authentication (opening
another can of worms in the process, weakening consumer protection).

Yep, and it's would have been a no-risk for OP. Test came up negative - OP was sober and can strengthen his case. Come up positive - just ditch it.

And if the plane catches some rough air and shakes up OP stomach content during the flight like a short jog does, would you suggest the pilot took a different route?

oliver2002

Again: if you are not deemed fit to fly by the crew or authorities (medical condition, security issues, no fly list etc), your journey ends right there and the airline has fulfilled their part of the contract. They are not required to accommodate you on any flight or rebook you.

As far as what happened at the ticket counter(s), well...
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Rambuster

Finally we are getting closer!

(after all, 90% of the iceberg is under water too!)

YuropFlyer

I'll suggest this to the crew of an overbooked flight that Oliver2002 is on, to offload him (for whatever reason they seem fit..) to save any IDB/EU261 compensation. I'm sure he'll be more than happy to buy a new ticket for the next flight..

Forrest Bump

Indeed is the whole "deemed fit to fly" concept deeply sloppy. The idea of an airline keen to apply it to cut on the EU261 goes probably too far, but still.

SK2751

Quite a bit too far. I find nothing in the OP's story that would indicate that LO needed an excuse to kick him out of the flight. So they didn't really save anything by deeming him unfit to fly.

oliver2002

So you got offloaded because the flight was oversold?

YuropFlyer

Trying to escape the edge you got yourself in, eh?

Ber2dca

The OP is called a liar with a certain confidence that I find difficult to comprehend.

While it is certainly possible that he really was an unruly drunk causing a scene, I also have had enough experiences with customer service in Poland/with Poles that makes me believe there is a chance the OP has a legitimate point with regard to their conduct.

If indeed some posters are privy to information that puts the OP's story into a dubious light then surely the fair thing to do would be to put that information on the table rather than to engage in innuendo and if they have come across that information via channels of dubious legitimacy (such as airline or airport staff who are obliged to maintain confidentiality) then surely it would be best not to say anything at all.

Lack

And they risked actually loosing some revenue if he went to the competition, since they refunded him at least part of the ticket.

Is FT having another database crisis? All the information needed is in OPs posts. He drank, he barfed, he walked to an agent and failed presenting his case for rebooking. Thats cause and effect, not a series of unrelated events.