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Jul 25, 2019, 3:55 pm
#1951
Join Date: Feb 2013
Programs: LH M&M, BA EC, DL SM
Posts: 5,755
Today was the hottest day ever recorded in Germany and working outside as certainly not a pleasure.
Jul 28, 2019, 1:01 pm
#1952
Join Date: Mar 2005
Programs: Mileage Plus
Posts: 462
LH M&M Program
Planning a bucket list trip for Spring 2021, and it looks like my best option for a F trip on the return (balancing total flight duration with airline options) is LH's PEK-FRA-ORD for a PEK-xxx-xxx-ORD return in F (limiting my choices to 2 stops at most). However my miles are concentrated in UA MP and Chase SR, and Chase does not partner with LH. Any recommendations for best partners for accumulating M&M points. Or does anyone have any ideas for executing a multi-airline transfer that would eventually give me M&M points... I currently have approximately 400K in both UA and Chase SR.... I expect to also have up to the same in AMEX by early 2020... which is my cutoff in order to lock in my desired flights for the 2021 trip. My trip is outbound ORD -- xxx's-DPS and PEK--xxx's-ORD return.
Planning a bucket list trip for Spring 2021, and it looks like my best option for a F trip on the return (balancing total flight duration with airline options) is LH's PEK-FRA-ORD for a PEK-xxx-xxx-ORD return in F (limiting my choices to 2 stops at most). However my miles are concentrated in UA MP and Chase SR, and Chase does not partner with LH. Any recommendations for best partners for accumulating M&M points. Or does anyone have any ideas for executing a multi-airline transfer that would eventually give me M&M points... I currently have approximately 400K in both UA and Chase SR.... I expect to also have up to the same in AMEX by early 2020... which is my cutoff in order to lock in my desired flights for the 2021 trip. My trip is outbound ORD -- xxx's-DPS and PEK--xxx's-ORD return.
Jul 28, 2019, 4:51 pm
#1953
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: London, Paris
Programs: LH HON, AF Platinum
Posts: 2,001
Good luck? I suppose Barclays M&M is the only US credit card that accumulates M&M points. Only one person dollar spent and two per LH dollar.
The SPG used to be good value, but was devalued by 33.33% with the Marriott acquisition. And now transfers between Bonvoy and M&M are frozen altogether.
Your other points are almost useless because you'll be having to book your F tickets 14 days before departure, as that's when LH opens up F awards to non-M&M frequent fliers. LX is a non-starter.
The SPG used to be good value, but was devalued by 33.33% with the Marriott acquisition. And now transfers between Bonvoy and M&M are frozen altogether.
Your other points are almost useless because you'll be having to book your F tickets 14 days before departure, as that's when LH opens up F awards to non-M&M frequent fliers. LX is a non-starter.
Jul 29, 2019, 1:04 am
#1954
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, India based airlines, India, External Miles & Points Resources
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 48,198
M&M is not as generous as the US programmes and considers US-Europe-(S./N./E.) Asia to be an expensive 3 region award. Also note that UA has closed the routing loop hole for such awards. Also M&M charges atrocious surcharges for awards ex US. You are probably better off porting the Amex miles to SQ KF and booking something more direct.
Aug 4, 2019, 1:03 pm
#1955
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: AMS/RTM
Posts: 2,827
The CEO of Swiss mentioned that LUG-ZRH could be cut if the railway connection between Ticino and Zürich will reliably be under two hours.
As I've written elsewhere, give me a check-in desk at the station and I'm happy.
Does anyone know how does it work in BSL? Can you check in at the station?
As I've written elsewhere, give me a check-in desk at the station and I'm happy.
Does anyone know how does it work in BSL? Can you check in at the station?
Aug 4, 2019, 3:30 pm
#1956
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Montreux CH
Programs: FB Platinum, M&M FTL, BA Blue
Posts: 11,625
I have always thought that Lugano flight would be up for the chop sometime soon now that new basis tunnel is open. However, trains apparently are going to be driving slower through the Gotthard basis tunnel because the higher speeds cause more maintenance issues.
Aug 5, 2019, 1:58 am
#1957
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: AMS/RTM
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LUG is a vanity project which makes no sense for commercial aviation. If such an airport was in Italy we'd be snickering at yet another public money sinkhole.
It should refocus on general aviation and tourist flights, and forget about scheduled flights.
It could never host an A320/B737, it's a difficult airport for takeoff and landing, it's prone to weather delays and cancellations, and on top of everything it's a tiny market.
People living south of Bellinzona are best served by MXP anyway, and if the administration of Lugano would insist on a couple of faster train links to MXP (as opposed to the local trains which have been just started), it would save a lot of money. But then a bunch of seats on the LUG board of directors would be lost, and that would be a disgrace.
It should refocus on general aviation and tourist flights, and forget about scheduled flights.
It could never host an A320/B737, it's a difficult airport for takeoff and landing, it's prone to weather delays and cancellations, and on top of everything it's a tiny market.
People living south of Bellinzona are best served by MXP anyway, and if the administration of Lugano would insist on a couple of faster train links to MXP (as opposed to the local trains which have been just started), it would save a lot of money. But then a bunch of seats on the LUG board of directors would be lost, and that would be a disgrace.
Aug 5, 2019, 12:51 pm
#1959
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I also heard a rumour over at the HeadForPoints site that Lufthansa was strongly considering beginning BoB service on European flights. Is that really the case? I certainly hope not!
Aug 5, 2019, 1:38 pm
#1960
Join Date: Feb 2013
Programs: LH M&M, BA EC, DL SM
Posts: 5,755
They have been tempted for a while but never dared to do it. But LH Group airlines have done it and the mother will be closely monitoring that.
Aug 5, 2019, 2:24 pm
#1961
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: WAW
Programs: A3(*G), Marriott Platinum, Hilton Diamond, IHG Diamond Ambassador
Posts: 2,534
Aug 6, 2019, 4:02 pm
#1962
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Actually, I would be really surprised if they went and did it. But they all seem to be going that way these days. Hope it doesn't happen, obviously, but the hat talker said it is on for 2020.
Aug 6, 2019, 11:18 pm
#1963
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: BRU
Programs: LH HON**
Posts: 386
Personally I thought that the snack quality went up when SN changed to BoB years ago, although I usually still don’t buy. But SN went too far on the drinks side - I think the minimum offer should be like SK: free coffee, tea or a glass of water. On SN you even have to pay for that and moreover their ”coffee” is not worth anything, unless you aim for a summer-holiday-cottage-Nescafé-powder-emergency-coffee-and-by-the-way-the-jar-says-best-before-2007 experience.
