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Old Jul 21, 2008, 1:08 pm
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Originally Posted by baccarat_king
I've seen it in higher limit shoes games at a few locations, specifically in Atlantic City and Southern Indiana [exact wording on the sign is NO MID-SHOE ENTRY]. Though, of recent, I rarely pay very much attention to blackjack games.
I should have specified that the only casinos I've been to are in Las Vegas, so what I've seen is limited. I also suppose one factor is that casinos want players to be able to sit down and start playing in a timely manner, which prohibiting mid-deck entry at a multi-deck table prevents.


Originally Posted by baccarat_king
I personally think people are irritated, because they want someone to blame when things aren't going well.
Of course placing blame is a natural reaction, but as I already stated, I've experienced gamblers getting irritated even when things DO go well. It's just that much of a offense to some players.
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Old Jul 22, 2008, 8:44 am
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Originally Posted by baccarat_king

Believe me, if the "bad BJ player" kept pulling the wrong cards, which then caused another player (or players) to draw up to 20 or 21 (and win) for 4 or 5 hands in a row, they would probably be kissing that "bad player."
I'm sure in that case, the player would be crediting his own incredible skill and intellect, and would not even be considering the actions of the "bad" player.
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Old Jul 22, 2008, 11:01 am
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Originally Posted by baccarat_king
Believe me, if the "bad BJ player" kept pulling the wrong cards, which then caused another player (or players) to draw up to 20 or 21 (and win) for 4 or 5 hands in a row, they would probably be kissing that "bad player."
No, I would still be irritated, but at least I would be able to walk away with extra chips. In fact I have often done just that, and I always explain to the pit boss exactly why I'm leaving. They are always quite understanding and usually sympathetic.

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Of course placing blame is a natural reaction, but as I already stated, I've experienced gamblers getting irritated even when things DO go well. It's just that much of a offense to some players.
Exactly. Many of us find it annoying to play with people who don't know what they are doing, particularly when it isn't rocket science. I would imagine it's like playing behind novices on a golf course.
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Old Jul 22, 2008, 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Boraxo
and I always explain to the pit boss exactly why I'm leaving. They are always quite understanding and usually sympathetic.
Most pit bosses are a few levels above trained monkeys (though, I will admit, some are very nice; and I've made some nice friendships over the years).

Regardless, if you had said you were leaving because the positive CHI energy had just left the table (or some other superstitious/Feng Shui reason) -- the pit boss would be been just as "understanding and sympathetic."
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Old Jul 22, 2008, 2:33 pm
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Originally Posted by baccarat_king
Most pit bosses are a few levels above trained monkeys (though, I will admit, some are very nice; and I've made some nice friendships over the years).

Regardless, if you had said you were leaving because the positive CHI energy had just left the table (or some other superstitious/Feng Shui reason) -- the pit boss would be been just as "understanding and sympathetic."

Very true.

When was the last time you saw a casino ask a “Bad BJ Player” to leave? The “Good Player” has a much higher chance of being asked to take his play elsewhere.

Personally I could care less how people play BJ on a multiple deck shoe, unless I am having a bad run and then it is someone else’s fault, and by someone else I mean anyone but myself.
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Old Jul 23, 2008, 6:42 am
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Originally Posted by Boraxo
No, I would still be irritated, but at least I would be able to walk away with extra chips. In fact I have often done just that, and I always explain to the pit boss exactly why I'm leaving. They are always quite understanding and usually sympathetic.



Exactly. Many of us find it annoying to play with people who don't know what they are doing, particularly when it isn't rocket science. I would imagine it's like playing behind novices on a golf course.
Maybe you would prefer if the house plays everyone's hand according to basic strategy while the gamblers sit there and watch?
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Old Jul 23, 2008, 9:45 am
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Originally Posted by opus17
Maybe you would prefer if the house plays everyone's hand according to basic strategy while the gamblers sit there and watch?

Actually I would prefer (in order of preference):

(1) Elimination of tobacco smoke in all casinos (or confined to small room similar to airports).

(2) More local hiring in Vegas.

(3) Self-service card readers for player cards i.e. similar to Harrah's

(4) Clearly marked rule changes. Perhaps they should be required post the best odds at each table.

(5) Specially designated tables for expert players.

As for deviation from the basic strategy there is a difference between bucking the odds and stupidity. To double-down on a soft-8 vs. a 6 might be too bold for some; to split 10s or hit a 16 vs. a 6 is stupidity. But then again I'm the type of person who gets annoyed when drivers fail to use turn signals, so maybe we'd be better off playing at different tables.
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Old Jul 23, 2008, 11:54 am
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No 5

If they implemented your 5th rule, you wouldn't be playing at it.
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Old Jul 23, 2008, 12:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Boraxo
Actually I would prefer (in order of preference):

(1) Elimination of tobacco smoke in all casinos (or confined to small room similar to airports).

(2) More local hiring in Vegas.

(3) Self-service card readers for player cards i.e. similar to Harrah's

(4) Clearly marked rule changes. Perhaps they should be required post the best odds at each table.

(5) Specially designated tables for expert players.

As for deviation from the basic strategy there is a difference between bucking the odds and stupidity. To double-down on a soft-8 vs. a 6 might be too bold for some; to split 10s or hit a 16 vs. a 6 is stupidity. But then again I'm the type of person who gets annoyed when drivers fail to use turn signals, so maybe we'd be better off playing at different tables.
I'm fine with 1-4. Not sure how anyone could implement (5).
As for stupid players -- I see them all the time on Video Poker doing ridiculous things like discarding a low pair to hold 2 cards to a Royal Flush -- someone needs to pay for those opulent hotels. In either case, neither player affects me!
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Old Jul 24, 2008, 3:36 pm
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Originally Posted by gengar
Of course, if you really want to talk about being reasonable, I suppose we could all posit that no card-counting blackjack player is reasonable, since no reasonable person would elect to play a -EV game in the first place. *shrug*
Excuse me! Card-counting can xhange a negative EV to a positive. That's why they ask counters to leave.
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Old Jul 24, 2008, 4:47 pm
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Originally Posted by ORDflyer
Excuse me! Card-counting can xhange a negative EV to a positive. That's why they ask counters to leave.
Sorry, forgot a double negative. Should have been "no non-card-counting player".
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Old Jul 24, 2008, 5:55 pm
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Lots of places have no mid shoe or limits

For example, Wynn double deck has no mid shoe. They don't post it, but you can't come in mid round.

NYNY and Planet Hollywood also has mid-deck entry limits on various games.
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Old Jul 24, 2008, 5:56 pm
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Card Counter asked to leave

So...how many here have seen a player asked to stop playing?
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Old Jul 26, 2008, 8:31 pm
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Originally Posted by chichow
So...how many here have seen a player asked to stop playing?
Like me six or seven times.
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